PERVERTS AT THE POLLS
Here's the story
Here's the question. Can a sex offender go to a school to vote?
As easy as early voting is, I can't see why it's necessary.
It does open up a whole new targeted direct mailing strategy, though. Look up the registered sex offenders and mail to them around Columbus Day. I guess everybody is part of an interest group. Hell, If Larry Craig were from Illinois, we might be into something. Yeah, I know, he likes casual adults on the fly, so to speak.
posted by UMRBlog @ 20:52
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38 Comments:
Is being gay a sex crime now?
Absolutely not! It is Craig hisownself who called the Idaho paper's report a "Witch Hunt". Of course, the logical conclusion there is that being gay is tantamount to being a "Witch".
It's not me who bashes gays. Mr. Craig has handled that quite nicely himself.
Besides, I meant he would be the Mailer, not the mailee.
Seems like being guilty depends on who you ask and how much the media stomps the BIG HUGE GRAB ASS story in your face.
Publicized Arrest = Guilty
Publicized Mugshot = Guilty
Publicized Trial = Guilty
Publicized Acquittal = Egg on face
So now if they do a legal or illegal background check and they see that you were arrested, the arrest implies guilt in the court of public opinion. Hey, he did get arrested after all.
I can tell you right now, not many people are considered with the outcome of a case. Just the arrest.
As far as gays go, it's not a crime to be gay...yet.
If Larry Craig were a Democrat there would not be a peep from the media or umr, BUT.................oh the hypocrisy!!! Barney Frank's boyfriend turning tricks out of Barney's house is no problem. Hmmmmm
Well, it sure aren't the Republicans pushing for felons to vote is it, UMR?
You would get that mail list before Craig.
It aren't? Guess that depends whether you count Chuck Colson and Scooter Libby.
TYFCB
0722,
I must be getting my USA Today and CNN reports wrong, then. Damned if I didn't think Republicans were calling for his resignation--silly me.
TYFCB
umr
your reputation precedes you
who do you think the felon vote might favor?
Have no idea what that means.
I have a reputation for using targeted direct mail to help my candidates, that's true. I have some friends who are felons, that's true. I'm in favor of felons who have completed ALL (including parole and probation completion) responsibilities under their sentences voting, that's true. You're not a very good communicator, that's true.
A guy named Banfield did some research on this subject a few years ago and found that voting felons tend to vote along the same lines as others in their neighborhood. If I remember right, he used precinct lines to define "neighborhood".
So Scooter's probably still a Republican and it's anybody's guess about Colson. Deaver's dead. Rostenkowski's probably still a democrat. Dan Walker says he's no longer a democrat.
TY for your enlightening and helpful comments
umr
do you think that felons are evenly distributed geographically, or that they are concentrated in say, poorer urban areas?
Felons are always overrepresented in both the upper and lower intelligence and upper and lower socioeconomic dems. They are underrepresented in the middle.
How this effects felons WHO WANT TO REGISTER AND VOTE, I have no clue. Usually, when you insert a self-selection criterion, it goofs up your global dem.
You seem to have a bias and conclusion on this topic. Spit it out.
TYFCB
My previous comment left out an important qualifier. This measurement, that I know of, applies to FELONS WHO DO PENITENTIARY TIME. It may or not be true of the felon population who are sentenced other than to the penitentiary.
umr 1127
Most incarcerated felons would vote Democrat. That's the conclusion.
Well, then we are having parallel discussions because incarcerated felons can't vote in Illinois, even if they are registered.
Look, we start from the large pool of people convicted of a felony. We subtract from them the people doing time. We subtract from that remainder the folks who don't bother registering. We subtract from that revised remainder the folks who move out of the state. We subtract from that number the people who just never vote. Of that revised talent pool, you're telling me they're democrats? Why would that be?
Anybody who rehabilitates himself after felony probation or a pen time has pulled himself up by the bootstraps. Aren't those exactly the same kind of "individual initiative" people who make good entry level republicans?
Sounds like you're guessing, racial profiling or have some source you're not sharing.
TYFCB
"I must be getting my USA Today and CNN reports wrong, then. Damned if I didn't think Republicans were calling for his resignation--silly me."
You've got the reports right, you missed the point. Democrats would be silent. Republicans eat their own, and rightly so.
I must be getting my USA Today and CNN reports wrong, then. Damned if I didn't think Republicans were calling for his resignation--silly me.
Let me put it this way.
A crime barely occurred here. However slimy, this is just a closet homosexual trying to get a thrill.
If he were a Democrat, the tone would be completely different and his colleagues would not be calling for his resignation.
Look how the Democrats handled Gerry Studds. Who's the hypocrite?
OK, this has now become a discussion about Craig, even though he's not a felon.
That other people are hypocritical offers him no relief. He sets himself up as "Mr. Defense-of-Marriage" and then gets busted for aggressive, gay airport moves.
That's not a GOP or Dem. issue. That's an integrity issue. Be as gay as you want but don't get yourself elected on one banner while living wrapped in another.
All democrats are not weak people or hypocritical people, nor are all Republicans. Craig's a hypocrite. What happened in Barney Frank's home or Gerry Studds' apartment doesn't change that.
Here's the money quote you seem to ignore.
"If he were a Democrat, the tone would be completely different and his colleagues would not be calling for his resignation."
Is is one difference between the Dems and the GOP.
Try this. Replace "solicited anonymous gay sex" with "hid $90k of bribe money in his freezer and used the national guard to go get it following the worst domestic disaster in the history of the US".
You're right, there is no perfect parallel. Leave the gay part out.
There are two sets of standards for illegal activity. the GOP required for example, Delay to step down as majority leader after he was indicted.
Are you honestly saying you see no difference in how the two parties handle these situations?
Jefferson hasn't had his due process yet. Craig pled. No parallels. If Jefferson pleads guilty to a lesser included and he's not hounded out, you've got a near parallel.
Instead of banging this drum incessantly, come up with a parallel.
TYFCB
Where is the outrage by Democratic Party leaders about Jefferson? Why no calls for his resignation? Why no demand for investigations? Why isn’t the liberal media hounding Jefferson like they did Tom Delay or Karl Rove, who was never charged with a crime but was assumed guilty by the liberal media?
Republicans have a track record of taking care of their ethically challenged members. You don’t have Tom Delay or Bob Ney in Congress anymore. But you still have Democrats William Jefferson, John Murtha and Alcee Hastings in Congress because Democrats refuse to clean up their own messes.
Why isn’t the liberal media jumping all over the Jefferson scandal or Pelosi’s unwillingness to deal with corruption in her own party?
Perfect parallel or not, you're as hypocritcal as your national leaders.
The typical Republican voter wants his senator or congressman to keep his taxes low, his government honest. He is furious when GOP lawmakers stick their fingers in the cookie jar, or give lip service to values they do not practice.
Republicans must be squeaky clean to win elections because their voters will crucify them for behavior Democratic voters wink at so long as the pork keeps flowing. This is why his GOP colleagues already have stripped Sen. Craig of his committee assignments, and have called for and received his resignation, while Democratic senators are comfortable having among them a man who left to drown in his automobile a young woman with whom he was having an extramarital affair.
Maybe, this will refresh your memory some:
** Republican Rep. Mark Foley resigns from Congress after he exchanged raunchy electronic messages with a teenage boy. No crime was committed.
** Republican Majority Leader Rep Tom Delay steps down after allegations of conspiracy and money laundering. Some bogus charges later dropped. No crime was committed.
** Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) steps down after pleading guilty to disorderly conduct.
** Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) answered an ad placed in a Washington, D.C. homosexual paper, the Washington Blade, by Stephen Gobie, a male prostitute. Gobie became Barney Frank’s live-in sexual companion, and was soon running a male prostitution ring from Barney Frank’s condo. Today Frank chairs the Financial Services Committee.
** Rep. Gerry Studds (D-MA) has sex with underage male House page. Studds turns his back on the House when he is censured. He continued to serve in House for six more terms.
** Senate Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) plagued by scandals: Abramoff Scandal, Sons who are lobbyists, boxing tickets and other perks, land deal that made him $1 million, etc.- Serves as democratic Senate Majority Leader.
** Hillary Clinton (D-NY) Her husband is impeached- record number of scandals and convictions during his term in office. She herself takes money from FBI fugitive. Today she is leading democratic candidate for president.
** Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) kills girl . Leaves her in pond to drown. Today he is second longest serving member (next to the former kleagle) in the Senate.
** Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) former Ku Klux Klan Kleagle (recruiter). Today Byrd is longest serving member in the senate.
** Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt)- in a 1985 television appearance Leahy disclosed classified information that one of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's telephone conversations had been intercepted. The information that Leahy revealed had been used in the operation to capture the Arab terrorists who had hijacked the Achille Lauro cruise ship and killed American citizens, and the Union-Tribune claimed that Leahy's indiscretion may have cost the life of at least one of the Egyptian operatives involved in that operation. Because of his several leaks he was forced to step down from his seat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Today he is Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
** Democratic Iowan Senator Tom Harkin (and John Kerry D-MA) traveled to Managua, Nicaragua to assure Fidel Castro's proxy Daniel Ortega that Senate Democrats were working overtime to thwart President Reagan's efforts to bring Democracy to the region. Today he is head of Senate agriculture committee.
Are we starting to see a pattern???
0528,
I don't know if you're all the same anon so I'll take yours in reverse order.
Stick your last paragraph where the sun doesn't shine. I'll compete with anyone on living my own values. You're outta bounds there. Everyone who disagrees with you is not necessarily evil or a hypocrite.
Third paragraph, I don't know who your "liberal media" might be but CNN and have done extensive expose pieces about both the evidence against Jefferson and the the constitutional tension of one branch of government issuing a search warrant directed at another independent branch of government, including where this ends up if Jefferson happens to acquited (you do get the part about there hasn't been a trial yet, right?)
As to your second paragraph, how is ol' Ted Stevens doing these days. Oh, still in the Senate, huh? Imagine that. OK, you want to talk about Alcee Haistings? Let's talk about Alcee Haistings. He was impeached from the federal bench. He was tried for related crimes, not once, but twice. Knowing his background his district has elected him since about '92. One either believes in representative government or one doesn't. You want congress to throw an eligible member, duly elected out of office because of his expulsion from another branch of government? You want the voter's of AH's district to be disenfranchised in Congress? The House is most truly representative element of government and you want a bunch of guys in Washington to throw out the guy the voters in a district have selected without any evidence of wrongdoing while a house member? What the hell are you smoking?
You first paragraph is just a hash of the foregoing.
You don know about Adam Clayton Powell (another constitutional crisis) and Wilbur Mills, right?
UMR 445
You just worked yourself into a tizzy for nothing. I was talking about the voters. You seemed to skip right over this one without comment.
The typical Republican voter wants his senator or congressman to keep his taxes low, his government honest. He is furious when GOP lawmakers stick their fingers in the cookie jar, or give lip service to values they do not practice.
Republicans must be squeaky clean to win elections because their voters will crucify them for behavior Democratic voters wink at so long as the pork keeps flowing. This is why his GOP colleagues already have stripped Sen. Craig of his committee assignments, and have called for and received his resignation, while Democratic senators are comfortable having among them a man who left to drown in his automobile a young woman with whom he was having an extramarital affair.
Yeah, right. That's why you didn't use the word voters and the examples were DeLay and Ney, with whom the voters played no role (other than some vague balance of terror.)
528,653 and 134 are all from the same
source
you'll find the word "voter" in there, repeatedly
now, quit avoiding the difference in the VOTERs
next up, I'll show you how you're wrong about the media coverage
Then use a handle to stay anon and preserve continuity.
Yeah those Illinois North Shore Voters were really discerning when they reupped Phil Crain eleven times.
TYFCB
It's Crane, it was sixteen times, and after he publicly acknowledged he suffered from alcoholism in 2000, he was voted out in 2004. Thanks for helping.
The easiest way to avoid being held to any morals is to not have any...like the Democrats for example.
Yeah, it's Crane. I was talking about the 11 terms after the baby-sitter.
TYFCB
umr 1057
Didn't say all. Get some sleep. You know what they say about that river in Africa.
Somebody comes in here and tosses up a default principle, they can either defend it or say they didn't say it.
Yeah, that's the River with all the crocks. Reminds me of some of the comments I've gotten in here.
Oh, wait! That's crocs.
TYFCB
If you still can't see the difference in how each party, voters and elected officials, handle these situations, there is very little anyone can do to help you.
You're wrong on this one even though you'll never admit it.
Sadly the sleaze is pretty evenly distributed. There’s really not a difference between either party. Once they get here (DC) & are infested with the culture, even decent pols pretty quickly lose their moral compasses. Really, the only thing that seems to differ is how the media cover it. When Rs do it, it gets big play. When Ds do it, it tends to get buried or outright dismissed.
Personally, I think the Hsu situation is as serious, or even more so, than Abramoff. A lot of people distanced themselves from Abramoff & didn’t take money from him because it didn’t “smell” right. Many others didn’t–& paid the price. It has to be said that the conservative blogging community was fairly critical of those pols who had taken money from him–& some bloggers had warned about him prior to anything breaking.
With Hsu, you’ve got a guy who had a criminal past but had been fundraising for a party for many years. There’s absolutely the question of why this guy hadn’t been in jail long before. There’s also the question of who is doing the vetting for Democrats on where they get their money. Double that when you add in the other criminal Hillary was taking money from. Then you’ve got the knee-jerk “he’s innocent, it’s a conservative conspiracy” response when the WSJ first mentioned the possibility of tainted money to the Clinton campaign.
Either you’ve got a party that does a very lax job of vetting major donors, or you’ve got a party that just doesn’t care where they’re getting their money–until they’re caught. Either way, it’s a serious issue.
I’m not letting Rs off the hook either. There’s no question the money rules need to be changed. Unfortunately, until they are, this type of thing will continue. I just get tired of all the screeching & finger-pointing when it’s Rs, but the silence when it’s Ds.
I really don't have my arms around the Hsu situation but my basic understanding is there's been a warrant out for him from CA for a modest 16 years.
If one does a legal search, through the criminal justice information service for someone, as an example, a job application, that outstanding warrant won't show up. Don't know what other sleaze he's got in his background.
Anyway, every time I see news coverage on this, I'm tempted to write a screen play adventure/comedy "Peggy Hsu blows town!"
TYFCB
1315,
Well, I guess that settles it. You put on your black robe and decided that one!
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