Saturday, March 25, 2006

WHO WERE THOSE GUYS--AND WHAT DID THEY WANT?

(with due credit to Butch and Sundance)


Some of our friends seem to be experiencing advanced dyspepsia about some number of apparent republicans voting in the recent democrat primary. When we consider that many of these are the very same friends who pulled GOP ballots in the 1999 and 2003 Aldermanic primaries and who toiled in the vinyards of the 4th Ward trying to entice democrats into the GOP primary to help a republican they admired, it is a little difficult to understand the nature of the complaint. Still, It seems a sound approach is to first define the activity causing the excess stomach acid, then to quantify it and finally to define what should have been done.

What Really happened?: The turnout in Adams County was a putrid 17.7%. Crowding at polling places was not an acute social problem. There were no parking problems. This turnout was nothing for any of us to be proud of. Yes, there was a snow emergency in the a.m. Yes, the GOP ticket did not offer much of a draw. Predictably, the guy who seems like the kind of decent person we'd like to see in politics, Mowen, lost to Miss Congeniality, version 2.0. She celebrated by taking the weekend off to engage in her favorite activity, pulling the wings off of butterflies to see if she can actually hear them scream. The democrat ticket at least had an interesting statewide race and one local race, hotly contested. A little crossover would have been natural and predictable.

Going back four "off year" elections, the highest democrat turnout was 2700 and the ballot split was usually more or less two to one, republican to democrat. Part of that is probably just underlying partisan inclination, simple redness in a red county. Some of it is just dull races on our side over time. With all due respect for Steve Crabtree, just for an example, folks were not exactly kicking in doors at six a.m. to support him. Some of the disgusting low turnout is an increasing tendency among Walmart/NASCAR nation to skip voting. Finally, the long standing ratio here of republicans to democrats may be explained, to some extent, as it's just a fact of democrat life that our people are a little harder to haul. There are a million theories why (fewer listed phone numbers, more people with multiple jobs and more single parents lead the hit parade.) but it's a fact. So a continued low turnout level would never be surprise. A major shift in the two to one ratio would be quite surprising.

Well, we all got that ratio surprise. Due to the snowstorm, it was very difficult to recognize the change in dem/GOP ratio as a bona fide trend until about five in the afternoon on election day. It held true all day but the sample was initially too small to make any reliable conclusions. About 7800 souls showed up to vote. They split almost right down the middle GOP/Dem. That's cutting the expected ratio in half. This ratio appeared to hold up precinct to precinct throughout the day. Certainly, in committed Republican precincts, it was a little higher and in traditionally Democratic precincts, there were few more Democrats ballots by comparison. Nevertheless, it was really hard to tell the difference by ward or precinct. The ratio cut across ward lines and township lines. It held up all day, all over.

Over any period of five or more elections we can see a fluctuation in the number of Democrats ballots requested. Naturally, this ebbs and flows with the local interest in any particular race. The same thing is usually true on the Republican side. If you look very closely at this, you can see there is a somewhat measurable bloc of voters, 500 to 700, under the best of conditions, who fairly reliably vote in primaries but move back-and-forth between parties. A good guess would be these are folks who simply feel a civic duty to vote but can't generate any enthusiasm for one party over the other.

Because people move from precinct to precinct within the county and move to other counties and do not always vote in consecutive elections, this is a difficult number to ascertain. This year it is perhaps even more difficult because of the snowstorm and the initial experiment with early voting. It is impossible to know what percentage of this "swing primary voter group" would be inclined to participate in the early voting and whether the the early voting opportunity actually increased the number of "Swing primary" voters, decreased it or had no effect on it. Intuitively, we would feel the weather may have decreased it but early voting either increased it or had no effect on it. Still, that's just a guess. We just won’t have data on this for a while.


If we assume that these are "swing primary" citizens are motivated by a strong civic duty, then it is reasonable to believe not a huge percentage of them were dissuaded by the snowstorm. Just to have an assumption, let's suppose that a usual and predictable 500 such voters was reduced by at 10% to 450. Without polling data this would be impossible to prove or disprove but it appears a sound working assumption. Without data we have to make an assumption. This one seems sensible but if someone else wanted to tweak it up or down by 100, they’d get no argument from me.

These are not strictly Republican primary voters, even though they might have voted in the last two Republican primaries. There is no evidence to suggest that these folks came to the democrat primary with any particular predisposition for either candidate. One can argue that the Challenger had an advantage from recent advertising in and one can argue that the incumbent had an advantage from simple long term name recognition. As to the "Swing primary" voters, we simply do not know.

How many true GOP "Drop-ins"?: This leaves about 650 "New" democratic primary voters who appear to have come from habitual Republican primary voters for whom we must account.

In one ward we have a statistical aberration because, in 1999 and 2003, approximately a hundred (using round numbers) known Democrats voted inthe Republican primary. Thus we have to reduce the remaining 650 possible crossover votes by 100, actually reverse crossovers, for a total of 550. Certainly, this is not an exact number but it is a useful working assumption.

Anecdotally, we know that some of this number, prominent, quotable people, voted for the incumbent. We really do not know and cannot know that this body of some 550 people voted as a group. The only even moderately effective way to do this would be by exit polling and even that technique can be misleading. But it is still statistical malpractice to say "Dave Bockhold's family voted for the Clerk, therefore all these crossovers were votes for the incumbent." There's just no statistical support for that. It's a silly proposition and one for which there is no statistical support. The elections is close in the Rural County, Collar Townships, Dem. wards and Republican Wards, yet we are supposed to believe it is not close among one demographic, apparent crossover voters? With great respect for Dave Bockhold, does he speak for all those foks? Anyone who says they know how this bloc voted is just guessing.

Thus, there's a really no accurate assumption that we can make about these folks. We know that both sides had crossover efforts. We know that the challenger's side was more experienced at negotiating crossover votes than the incumbent’s. We know that the challenger's side had large numbers of GOP primary voters deeply in their debt for the crossover efforts by democrats in 1999 and 2003. It is reasonable to believe that Carper's crossover effort was more effective that Volms, despite the white hot publicity trumpeted by the local paper since the election. (A headline with no empirical support is just a guess in bold type). The newspaper is not talking about the folks who pulled up to polling places in utility trucks and took their first ever democrat ballot. I'm pretty sure they were not there to vote for Georgia Volm. As noted, each side has bystanders reports which confirm crossover activity by the other side. Because there was no exit polling, eveybody has anecdotals but nobody has hard numbers. We could go precinct by precinct and show that the GOP infusion in some areas was necessarily Carper-driven. We could go some other places and show it was strong Volm support. That would still be more supposition than it's worth. So it is anybody’s guess how these 550 or so folks voted as a body, if at all. The only thing we know for sure about them is that they are true crossovers.

Why the heartburn?: Well, if both sides did it, why are the Carperites unhappy? First, their estimable candidate didn't win. That always makes for unhappiness. Second, they are the crossover experts. They've been tinkering with this technique Since Gary Sparks was chairman. It must be galling that somebody else actually used it to advantage. Finally, it must be difficult to have GOP big jocks talking about their family's votes for GV openly. Before we get off of this, though, we really should address some questions. Chuck Scholz was elected in 1993 with crossover votes. That was a good thing. Why was this a bad thing? Why was it OK for democrats to vote in the GOP primary for Tony Sassen x 2 and Ray Coleman and even Mike Rein but it is not a good thing for Repubs to vote in the Dem. Primary? Speaking of those races, is it not reasonable to assume that those Republicans who were helped by the now-Carperites reciprocated this time and went into our primary, urged their friends and family to do so as well, and plugged for Carper? That is, after all, how the game of "strange bedfellows" is played. I think it's not only a reasonable but compelling assumption. In short, there is a touch of hypocrisy in the crossover specialists screaming about a crossover vote.

What Should the Clerk have done?: -- It is not legal to hire polling place bouncers to keep potential crossovers away from the polls. Snipers on adjoining roofs is a little extreme. Disappearing ink pens for the crossovers is at least creative but it would be hard to limit them just to GOP voters. The pens recirculate. Perhaps our friends think GV should have taken out a radio ad asking not GOP voters pretty please not to cross over. Maybe some billboards. Are you starting to get the idea this debate is a little silly?

Rules of Engagement Were the same for everybody--We all knew this was a self-selection primary. We all knew that there was risk in a full out attack mode campaign by Carper bringing in non-traditional primary voters. We all knew that the GOP primary was the sound of one hand clapping. Nobody changed the rules in the middle of the game. We all went after the same population base. We could all adjust our mailing lists. I'm sure nobody over at Camp Carper was stupid enough to leave the mailing lists just to "double D" voters. We surely didn't. We could door-to-door with more creative walk lists and in areas we might not take on in a restricted democratic primary. It would have been foolish not to. This was not a county convention and it was not a caucus. Neither side was foolish enough to run it like one. I won't say it was a fair fight, but that's another column for another day. It seems to me our friends only disliked the rules of engagement after they saw the results.

Next Column: Precinct by Precinct Chaos.



29 Comments:

At 7:41 AM, March 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Carper supporter I agree with the fact that crossing over is completely legal amd is done all the time. I think that 1. Carper people understand that and simply are aying the reason they lost is because of the crossover effort you put out (thats a compliment). They think with out your crossover effort he wins. I have never heard or read anything accusing you or GV of any wrongdoing.2. The main reason that their was so much discontent with GV was her percieved relationship with Ehmen, MCGlaughlin, Bockhold and the boys. I think seeing pictures of these guys with you and her at the victory party just rubbed salt in the wounds. Saying that it was their right to vote or have their family vote, we agree with that. To defend Chuck and Gary and their guys the primaries they were involved in were agianst the Republican establishment were in this one you worked right along side them. Example Rick Smith beibg ousted by Chairman Northern or Sassen being Nuessens Godson but still having to fight Nuessen, Ehmen, McGlaughlin and the boys. The point is the people that crossed for GV were hard core RCC types that consider her to be more inline with repub views than dems which again they have a right to do And to be honest it was not much of a suprise to see them with her, you working with those guys is a little scary though. I appreciatte the oppurtunity to share my views.

 
At 8:33 AM, March 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question,if Mr. bockholds family, or any other rebublican who signed a republican candidates petition,eligble to vote in a democratic primary?

 
At 8:35 AM, March 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question,if Mr. bockholds family, or any other rebublican who signed a republican candidates petition,eligble to vote in a democratic primary?

 
At 12:03 PM, March 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony
You said cholz used crossovers to win his first election. Do you really think he needed crossovers to beat Crabtree? That is crazy!

 
At 12:22 PM, March 27, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

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At 12:29 PM, March 27, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 218

Sigh! Primaries decide nominations. The election was a nailbiter with Bill Hoffman. The last two precincts that came in were habitually a 3-1 GOP precinct and a 2-1 GOP precinct. CWS won them both. Those republicans don't punch on our side and Bill Hoffman is the flood mayor.

My point still stands. If it's OK for CWS to get ample GOP votes why is it wrong for GV to get 'em (if, in fact, she did.)

Thanks for stopping by.

 
At 12:31 PM, March 27, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 1033/35 double dip,

From memory, I think so. Haven't done any research on it because it doesn't matter to me but the underlying theory is that a voter is whatever he says he is TODAY.

Thanks for stopping by

 
At 1:50 PM, March 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umrblog
A lot of people around town are saying you sealed Lanes reelection bid. The crossover support for Volm kept hundreds of repubs from voting for Mowen who was a much stronger gen. election candidate than Zinga. Whats your take?

 
At 2:52 PM, March 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony: we've both been on the losing side of an election before. The loser always wants to know why he or she lost. The crossover vote was a big factor. In my opinion, the biggest. That doesn't mean the Republicans did anything illegal or unethical. It just means a large number of them thought it was more important to vote for Volm than anyone running in their own party. In a Democracy, we cherish the right to vote. God bless everyone for exercising that right.

 
At 3:06 PM, March 27, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 350,

Truth time, I never thought it would be close enough for Adams County to make a difference. I think the thing that put Wicked Witch of North, Version 2.0 over the top was a lot of Repubs had her signs in their basements and they just HAD to have at least one Repub sign up. They dusted that sucker off and stuck it in the ground with two weeks to go. BTW, I know her parents. This apple fell miles from the family tree.

MBTW, Mowen has announced he'll have his signs picked up by Memorial Day.

Thanks, for stirring up this on-going chuckle.

 
At 3:11 PM, March 27, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

T-101,

The only thing we can tell by empirical data is that somewhere between 550 and 1100 of them found our primary more interesting. There is not one shred of empirical evidence that the crossovers voted in ratio at all, for or against GV. Inuitively, it seems most likely that 53% of them voted for GV and 47% voted for Carper but even that is just a guess.

Thanks for coming by.

 
At 3:35 PM, March 27, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 941

1. Well, I thank you for recognizing that. There are contributors to our sister blog who seem to disagree;

2. Where would they have seen such a picture? Whatever Mr. Smith's good qualities, that race was just republican inside baseball. Whatever crossover tendencies he had, they disappeared after he became a lame duck. Very predictable. You'll never get me to say anything but good things about the Sassen family but a primary jump is a primary jump. Bad policy. There was no better Aldmerman than Ray Coleman but the call for crossovers to help him was plain silly. But my underlying point is, crossover tricks are either good or evil. If they're good, they're good for everybody. If they're evil, they're evil for everybody. I'm not much of a fan of "situational ethics".

Just FYI, in the Volm campaign, I went to meetings till I was crosseyed but I never once saw a repub leader at one. The first I really knew there would be a substantial pro-Volm crossover was the Friday before the Tuesday election and that information erupted, unprovoked, in a social setting.

Just to be clear, let me repeat that there is no empirical evidence that our crossover vote was any better than that of the experienced crossover specialists.

I appreciate the thoughtful input, which I will continue to consider.

 
At 6:42 PM, March 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umrblog,
I do not know what your definition of a crossover vote is but mine is when a person of one party goes into the opposing parties primary and votes. That is perfectly legal but that is crossover. Voting in a general election for an individual is not a crossover in my opinion. What Scholz/Sparks did in 1993 was get independant/republican voters to vote for him as did John Spring, John Sullivan and all other good politicians. Again I am not saying you did anything wrong by attracting your repub buddies to vote for GV. One question though why did all your repub buddies support Barnard over you when. I would say most of Carpers people were and always have been quite supportive of you. Tahks for the forum.

 
At 7:39 PM, March 27, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 847,

I respect your definition. I think when a republican breaks ranks, it's as broad as it is long.

On the other issue, I really don't know any way to say what I have already said any clearer. I made a decision as what candidate I would support on what I could discern about their merits and the benefit they would bring to the fall ticket. I paid no attention at all to who lined up on what side. I know that purging a certain apparently hated family was a big sub-theme on our sister blog, but I didn't care about any of that 7th grade stuff.

I was neither for nor against anybody because any republican was for against him or her. In fact, I already stated I was surprised ont he Friday before the Tues. election that our mailing list--and we sweated bullets over that list--seemed to be having some traction with non traditional dem primary voters. It wasn't like I said: "Gee, who's Mike McGlaughlin gonna support so I can sign up there."

It's not fair for me to talk about Carper supporters as a body when I discuss my '04 campaign. Some of them were great. Some of them were AWOL. Leave it that there were some heartwarmers and some heartbreakers. All I can say about that is that every election is a different train ride. It's always been at the center of how I process politics that I try to leave old elections behind and not nurse grudges. I don't forget, I just don't give bad feelings a home. Finaly, I don't exactly know what the point of nose counting from '04 is. You can fill me in, but I don't get the relevance.

BTW, nobody's ever explained where Carper folks were "Seeing pictures of these guys (GOP leaders) with you and her (GV)at her victory party....." Maybe I'm just bad at googling pictures but I know of no such picture.

I'm pretty smoke sensitive so I didn't hang out too long. I stayed as long as I could waiting for the County Chairman to come by and say a few words but I finally just had to bag. Googled that picture too. Couldn't find it.

Thanks for coming by.

 
At 10:04 AM, March 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The County Chairman was at the Adams County Democrat Headquarters where he belonged. Volm was invited, she didn't show. Nice spin, no one is buying.

 
At 10:33 AM, March 28, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 1204,

When the neutral dem HQ on Maine St. was the site of the Carper victory celebration, it was completely inappropriate to expect GV to pop in there. Also, it would have seemed just a bit more neutral if there could have been maybe just one volm sign up in the window.

As to the neutral Chairman, other dem leaders found their way to Hampshire St. to congratulate our nominee. It really didn't take a Mapquest search. It's probably no big deal, anyhow. He's probably written and spoken to all of our nominees by now, extended congratulations and promised help.

Where is that photograph that has the boys all salt-in-the-wounds? I'd like to clip it for my scrapbook but I just can't find where one was ever published? Couldn't just be urban legend to perpetuate a grudge, could it?

Thank you for stopping by.

 
At 1:08 PM, March 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was a nuetral site. There were several Volm supporters in the Adams County Democrat Headquarters on election night. Had you or Volm stopped by you would have known that fact. Now you have both isolated those supporters.

Mrs Volm was offered the use of Adams County Democrat Headquarters for her campaign as was her opponent. All Democrat candidates are allowed to hang a sign at the headquarters. It is Mrs. Volm's job to contact and deliver a sign to the headquarters committee if she would like one placed in the window. They never recieved such a request. It is not their job to track her down. She is the candidate it is her job.

Mrs. Volm never informed Chairman Hagstrom of her intent to celebrate anywhere other than the headquarters paid for by the Adams County Democrat Central Committee.

Then again, maybe she decided to have it elsewhere as she knew several prominent Republicans would be in attendence and would not come to Adams County Democrat Headquarters.

 
At 1:44 PM, March 28, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Neutral 308,

Worthy of investigation. I'll ask GV for a copy of the invitation letter and post it here if it exists.

Somehow, other democrat dignitaries managed to find her and congratulate her. Whether she was at home, at a night club or on Hampshire St., that was nice thing. Our party could use some nice things, a little grace and gentility. Standing on ceremony is a poor substitute. When my chair called me after a nomination, I always appreciated it. And that was before cellphones.

 
At 8:19 PM, March 28, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Neutral 308,

I neglected to thank you for stopping by and that was rude. inadvertant, but rude. You're welcome here anytime.

Thanks, Sorry for the bad manners.

 
At 8:25 PM, March 28, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 0941,

The picture? Where is the picture? I've replayed the newscasts from that date and reviewed the Whig. Where are these pictures of me and the GOP County Board mafia?

Urban Legend or Reality?

Again, thanks for coming by.

 
At 9:33 AM, March 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the credit for electing gv to the dem primary post.

Truth is, it was women who were pissed at the heavy handed tactics of "the Mayors" and their chauvenistic, white male goons that ganged up against the little lady. Ask around. Recognize it or not, women voted overwhelmingly, dems and repubs for Georgia.

 
At 10:11 AM, March 29, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 1133,

Intuitively, I think you are right. Usually about 54% of primary voters are women.

Also, I think Carper, whether true or not, left the impression that he disrespected the LWV and GV, then, under heat, blamed his wife. That much of the Mock Letter to the Editor had traction to some extent I think.

The other side of the equation, though, is that Volm's most avowed enemies were women.

Anything I say here would be an educated guess but, if we had exit polls, I think we would have seen a big advantage for GV among women East of 18th St. I surely wish I had data because I believe there's something to what you say. I just can't prove it.

Let me hasten to add that I don't think EC is truly disrespecful to women. His choice of associates and his mishandling of the Forum issue may have given that impression. Great point, wish there was more data on it.

Thanks for coming by.

 
At 1:42 PM, March 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can blame the "mayors" all you want for being anti female but I think most people know you are full of it. I think the only reason Georgia had an opponent was because of her not the "mayors" treatment of women. I would bet that Tony is correct in his east of 18th street statement. I would also bet that if we polled people who knew GV personally EC would win that demographic especially amongst women. Women who know Georgia usually dislike Georgia. How do you think the ladies at the courthouse voted? Why was the female president of the Truman Club for Carper? Why was the president of the Democratic Womens Club for Carper? The mojority of women who voted for Georgia were Repub and independant women that do not know the real her. Thanks for the oppurtunity to speak!!

 
At 3:51 PM, March 29, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 342

Thank you for coming by and for giving me the opportunity to take positions opposed to my own survive her as long as they're made within the bounds of decency. Now, if you can teach our Sister Blog a little First Amendment tolerance, you'll really be into something.

Anecdotally, I know women who worked with GV in the private sector and did not like her much. They voted for Wallace in '02. They voted for GV in '06 for the stunningly simple reason they thought she was doing a good job.

One thing upon which we could all agree is that solid exit polling would have been fascinating here.

Again, thank you for sharing your views. They are welcome here.

 
At 4:23 PM, March 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anthony
I agree with idea exit polling would have been great. What I have a problem with is painting Carper and his committee/supporters whatever as anti women. I think its great GV had some former employees vote for her however she has several that despise her for whatever reason. The point is that Eric Carper and "the Mayors" undersatnd the vital role of women in our party and to paint the picture that GV is being bullied is wrong.(although a good political strategy). Do not forget that "the mayors" lobbied to get her on the ballot her first try and supported her adamantly during the campaign.

 
At 6:15 PM, March 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony, I enjoyed your review of the primary. You do have the history to provide an accurate analysis of results. Regardless of the negativity that seems to exist, the party will go on....

Hey, isn't this really "selective voting." Perhaps called crossover, but it was directed.

The intense republicans should remember that we live in one country, one county and that in the end, when we face issues, we need to be united as a people.

Glad these fourms exist and I am really glad that they didn't exist some years ago as my blood really would have boiled. Sometimes we need all to remember that we live in a country with freedoms.

And, have you looked at the lawsuit in, I believe, Mississippi, federal court, check it out. There are some lessons or information in that suit.

Respectfully...

 
At 7:26 PM, March 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:42

There is something to your statements. Take a good look at the numbers in Quincy 38, Gilmer, and Liberty they seem to support one of your claims.

 
At 8:12 PM, March 29, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 623

I was only commenting on electoral behavior. I thought the commentator had a point. I do plan on writing about the precinct by precinct later.

Thanks for coming by.

 
At 6:01 AM, March 30, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Anon 1133

I came in off the road and probably answered you too quickly. As to Mayor Spring, I do not think there is one shred of evidence of his exhibiting any bias against women in general or the Clerk, specifically.

Not only did he conduct himself honorably and neutrally during the campaign. He gave his staffers complete freedom to what they would on his own time. Just as an example, he was well aware that I was deeply into the Clerk's race and that several people very close to him. Never did he ask me to limit that activity or to stay behind the scenes.

This couldn't have been an easy time for him and he carried it out beautifully. He's married to professional woman and has an adult daughter who is capable of about any professional task she chooses.

Now, to go back to Carper himself for a moment, I have become persuaded that was more of a "Murphy's Law" thing. He picked the wrong day to get the flu and other people said things for him that got him in trouble with women. I agree with you that a little of that stuck.

How much of that relates to the "Mayors" is another guess--no data at all. My Kingdom for an exit poll!

Again, thanks for coming by

 

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