USE THE TERM "FASCIST MSM," FORFEIT YOUR CREDIBILITY
Everybody gets excited at political rallies. Speakers can occasionally boil over but "Fascist Mainstream Media?"
If you wanna say they're in the tank, OK. If you wanna say they're spoon fed, I get that. But passion doesn't excuse stupid.
It's unfortunate that all the speakers were not of Glenn Reynolds' caliber. Tookie needs a better screening exam.
posted by UMRBlog @ 14:42
28 comments
28 Comments:
Which one did that one ? I also find much of the MSM very out of touch .
Now Glenn was just a hoot to be with and just a stellar guy . We had a ton of con law talks .
Black haired woman with the sore throat.
Glenn is special and entertaining.
Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
The MSM does seem to censor events that do harm to Obama, whom they seem to have special adoration for.
The latest ACORN sting was barely covered, despite the ACORN removal from the census work and the firing of the four workers.
The Van Slyke story was barely covered, though he had to step down.
The DC TEA party was huge, yet not well covered, except by FOX.
There are many aspects of the Obama administration that appear fascist, like the takeover of GM, and then Obama scolding the bondholders that they need to give up their rights as senior debt holders, in favor of his union pals.
The MSM is not directly part of the "The Won" Administration (officially), but do often act in concert with his attempts at radical change. If they believe in and promote so much power for "The One" ... then they at least have fascist tendencies.
In Minnesota Saturday, speaking on health care, Obama said "they can't stop us". Sounds authoritarian to me.
The Speaker was more zealous than many are comfortable with, and "fascist MSM" does seem a little over the top ... still, I think the usage is less than "stupid". She did have a point.
I know when I see tom brokaw I think fascist!
Maybe they should have run the speaker list by you. Who would you have liked to hear? What did this gal say that makes you think she's stupid?
I must agree with UMR on Dana Loesch.
A bit less screaming and a bit more honest analysis would have made her presentation much more appropriate for the crowd.
Instead it sounded like cutrate Trotsky. Kinda sad, cause she doesn't come across that way in her writing, which I like.
And what was up with the guy from the US Virgin Islands? I couldn't figure out what the heck he was on about...
My final analysis: when they spoke on the issues that tea partiers are concerned about, they tended to be very very good. When they took to bad-mouthing and haranguing individual politicos and suchlike, they got scattershot and less than helpful.
Comedian was pretty funny though.
0609,
When you link a private enterprise to a government system, it comes of to me as simply stupid.
TYFCB
0730,
That's nice. Get a dictionary.
TYFCB
1018,
I'm sorry I was too subtle. It was the reference to the "Fascist Mainstream Media." Gosh, I'm sorry I was so murky about that.
As I said above and have stated elsewhere in this blog and others, I would have liked to have been in town for Glenn Reynolds, whom I admired. I guess I must have written most of this this post in disappearing ink. Damned if I didn't think I mentioned Reynolds, Shortly after the "Fascist MSM" thing.
I'll try to use some kind of visual aid next time.
TYFCB
You have to admit my Man crush on the "AB" has been a fun ride . He seems to have made a 83-7 point .
Ask folks you know about AB and crew , they are a ton more like Glenn than you know .
Glenn is just an amazing man and he really loved the Q .
Just an FYI , Quincy was all over FOX news again today and once again there was no flood.
I was murky in my response also .. apparently. As I understand it, you don't have to be part of a fascist government to be fascist.
No more than you have to be part of a communist government to be a communist.
The MSM have praised Obama and helped attack HIS enemies. Obama's grins and his "bro' handshake" with Chavez, and his support for Zelaya (a wanna be dictator, supported by Castro and Chavez) ... are more indications Obama and his faithful have fascist tendencies.
adj.
1. often Fascist Of, advocating, or practicing fascism.
2. Fascist Of or relating to the regime of the Fascisti.
UMR- I was being sarcastic about the Tom Brokaw thing. It's kind of sad the right has put you in a state of mind where you wouldn't recognize that!
I was in Quincy Saturday, and I don't remember any shrieking about "fascist msm", but I did see a photo of some leftwingers who had a sign saying "teabaggers" were fascists.
It seems fascism is in the eye of the beholder.
Personally, I block all this bullsh*t out---from both parties.
Fascist has lost all meaning, just like Nazi and racist.
When opposition to ANY Obama statement or policy is called "racist" that word has jumped the shark---and it's about damned time.
On my blog, I've had leftwingers call me a racist, homophobe, bigot and sexist (?)---I just laugh at them. Thanks to the idiotic overuse of these words, they have become meaningless.
Thanks leftwingers for degrading our language even more than it already is.
And I say that as a proud racist, bigoted sexist. :-D
umr 7:04 pm
You're going to want to keep an eye on that one. You can say you heard of her when she wasn't so famous. Not everyone can impress you as much as Durbin and Spring.
One speaker (GR), does not a list make. Don't get your tax payer funded panties in a bunch so quickly. The question was, smart ass, who would you like to see IN ADDITION TO Reynolds?
QCE,
I wasn't in Quincy Saturday but I watched the vid and saw the speaker say, reconsider it and reaffirm it.
TYFCB
1350,
Breitbart. But I watched the vid and compiling is obviously a stronger skill for him than public speaking. Not bad. Not great.
TYFCB
True QCE, "fascist" may get overused, as "racism" certainly has. But there is still more meaning to it than "racism", since "race" is pretty vague, and technically, there is no such thing as "race". It is all shades of gray ... or brown.
But more power is being drained from the states using fed funds requirements and other manipulations.
And now with Democrats in firm control of two of three branches of government (or two of four if you count "We the People" as the fourth branch) ... now there is even more reason to refer to the "fascist state" and its "fascist advocates".
At least it's a more useful debate than questioning whether 75% of the population is "racist".
OK, I'm finally picking up the thread here---your posts always seem so haiku-ish and cryptic.
What I see now is selective outrage on your part UMR.
You say "use the term fascist msm, forfeit your credibility".
Oooookkkayyyy, but Dana Loesch is a radio talk-show host, if I remember correctly, not an elected official, so what about those on your side who go beyond the bounds of decency?
What about Dick Durbin who said that anyone who was against universal healthcare (or whatever they call it) is a tool of the insurance companies, birthers and teabaggers? Did he lose credibility with you? Or do you agree with him?
What about Jimmy Carter (the worst POTUS of my lifetime) who said that Joe Wilson's outburst last Wednesday was based on racism? Do you believe that? If not, has Carter forfeited his credibility?
What about another Georgia peach, Democrat Congressman Hank Johnson, who said that if Wilson was not rebuked by the House, people will put on "white hoods and ride through the countryside"? Do you agree with that? Has he forfeited his credibility?
I think you are grokking my point here.
I want to say something else---earlier I mentioned I didn't remember any shrieking about fascist media, and I didn't, but I will say there is a difference at being at a live event as opposed to watching it privately on tape, computer, whatever.
I'm sure you've been to plenty of Democrat political rallies, and my guess is that every speaker doesn't follow the decorum of a Glenn Reynolds, but did those speakers forfeit credibility?
Saturday's event was a rally of sorts, to whip up enthusiasm among the like-minded, but I gotta say, even with "fascist msm", it was nothing like Paul Wellstone's funeral.
So I think you're looking down your nose and sneering, not for what one of the speakers said, but because you don't agree with what the TEA Party stands for---I'm pretty sure you would tolerate much worse from those in your party---and they wouldn't forfeit credibility either.
QCE,
Valued Blogger Colleague, you paint with too broad a brush.
Carter on Peyote is a little hard to take--the race card is so easy to play.
I'm not gonna go through every one of your examples but my comment had nothing to do with anybody's worldview. I've clucked at the TPers for being so vague about exactly what they are proposing and for saying they are bi-partisan then clicking off the GOP candidates at the podium. I can only take on one pile of horseflop at a time. When I have more time, I'll find an archive of when I've called a foul on my own party.
Watch Dana's vid again and see if you don't see what I saw. Stepped over line, gulped, then decided to ratify it. Knew better and did it anyway.
TYFCB
My impression was she used the word deliberately ... her "gulp" was part of her prepared presentation.
Like ... "that is the right description, and I'm gonna use it even if it raises the hackles of some. I won't let those looking down there nose, intimidate me"
2235,
At least we've defined where we disagree. Your oratorical device is my perceived intellectual dishonesty.
That's fair.
TYFCB
UMR and QCE both get high marks for refraining from calling each other fascist however!
On Fox News, Dana the Screamer said there were 12,000 at Washington Park last Saturday.
All disguised as trees, no doubt.
There are some very unpopular bills the more extreme left wants to push through, and somehow further left people like Reid and Pelosi have pushed to the front to help Obama "Rahm" them through, with the help of the "complicit" MSM.
But there is debate on the more conservative side as to whether the "fascist" term is helpful, or if it would be better to just point to less esoteric facts.
There is emotion not so much over creeping fascism, but unemployment, skyrocketing debt and taxes, and a promise from our prez' to redistribute wealth. Add in an intrusive government and you have trouble trouble trouble ... right here in river city.
There is plenty of reason to be very angry ... and there are many voices. Perhaps the temperature DOES need to be brought to a boil, to precipitate out the corrupt.
Of course for Obama, a crisis was a chance to "fundamentally change America", with unelected radicals writing the bills. We'll see what happens if push comes to shove, and shove back.
When elected officials start to respect (fear?) and serve their constituents, rather than lecture and deride (and rob) them, then "We the People" will have taken back some high ground.
Glen Reynolds is good ... perhaps he sees a hint of "fascism" lurking on the left.
... from Wikipedia
"He has been critical of left-wing transhumanism, which he believes could lead to a Brave New World-like situation of totalitarian government.
Didn't object to the use of 'Totalitarian" Didn't object to "redistribution" as a term (I do object to a lot of actual redistribution).
Objected to "fascist MSM" Still do.
ABC
I'm obviously missing something here.
From what I know of you UMR, you have been a politico for decades and have a high level of political sophistication, yet we are supposed to believe you are all wee-wee'd up about an entertainer saying "fascist msm".
Sorry, I'm not buying it. Since you're a partisan Democrat, I can believe that you object to those who threaten the status quo of Democrat dominance. I can also believe that you aren't buying what the TEA Party is selling---low taxes and small government.
But unless your objection to "fascist msm" is like my aversion to the color pink and rhubarb, I really don't understand this post at all.
Please elucidate.
QCE,
This lady's reputation preceded her. I had to be out of town on business so I listened on the podcast.
The context is, I guess, she was supposed to be a star. What I heard, instead, was first a sophomoric chant. Then she thought about it...knew she stepped in it. Then she ratified it.
Democrats are actually capable of intellectual honesty as well. The context was that this interlude was so beyond what her hype package was, I just couldn't let it go.
I really haven't expressed any problems with the TP gathering except this: I'd kind of like to hear a concrete plan from somebody in our local TP group sometime soon.
TYFCB
My husband and I were there....it was a great rally all around, but Dana really turned us off. About 5 minutes in to her screed, we decided to go elsewhere for a while. Something about her was like biting on aluminum foil.
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