"SPENDING PROTESTER" GETS A HAND FROM "SPENDING -REDUCED" U.S POSTAL SERVICE
Try this little experiment--it'll cost you 44 cents. Address a letter to yourself in 62301 or 5 zip code, whichever is yours. Any time on any Sunday (other than three day weekends) drop it into any mailbox in Quincy. Almost every time you will get it Tuesday.
Mail it Saturday, you'll get it Monday about half the time and Tuesday about half the time. Mail it Friday, you'll get it Saturday. Mail it Thursday, you get it Friday. But, on Sunday, our spending-reduced Postal Service no longer picks up.
That's real Handy for last night's Spending Protester. He says "we" (I presume he had a mouse in his pocket) sent a letter [to the Aldermen] on April 26 (a Sunday) asking them to delay a vote bound to happen on April 27. Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that, based on our little experiment, this urgent call for inaction to take place on April 27, arrived at our surface mail-reliant Aldermen's homes April 28.
This raises the musical question: "Is this a dishonest ploy (to say, "Gee, I mailed them a letter") or is it mere procrastination and incompetence." I don't have a preference. Roll your own, smoke 'em if you got 'em.
The meetings are on Monday Nights: Who knew?
posted by UMRBlog @ 01:43
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61 Comments:
Now try this little experiment. See how long an email takes to get to someone if you send it to someone on a Sunday. In his speech, that's what he said he did .
This raises the musical question: "Is this a dishonest ploy by the city attorney to marginalize a citizen or is it mere incompetence as to his ability to listen and hear what was actually said?"
The city also found out the hard way on this:
http://quincyfire.blogspot.com/2008/03/rapid-fire-sunday-news.html#links
Umr
McQueen said he emailed those that have the revolutionary technology, and made phone calls to those who do not.
0422,
Two different utterances, two different paragraphs, if you will. (I know people don't speak in paragraphs.) The discussion of emails was separate from him saying he "sent" letters on April 26. Let's assume he sent PDFs by email April 26.
Come on. One business day for the people have email and happen to check it on Sunday. Take his own version and add email. It's still a lame period of time consider a major step.
What was wrong with the 12th or 13th. Maybe the Tea lacked theobromide and they didn't have enough pep to get to it sooner.
The very nice man's own words show his team was slothful in its legislative approach.
TYFCB
Not one word about telephone calls on the 26th.
Generic "Phone Calls" To the true believers? To generic addressees at City Hall?
TYFCB
0446,
That was even worse because the packets went out in the mail FRIDAY and still didn't get there Monday.
The guys who said "they should use email!" Always gave me a yuck. I suspected they were the same guys who would freak if the City bought computers or DSL lines for the unplugged aldermen.
Some folks wouldn't be happy if you hanged them with a brand new rope!
TYFCB
Try this experiment :
Send King Spring an email . It will bounce bounce back .
Also why aren't cell phones that are use by aldermen and paid for by us LISTED ?
You really ought to quit trying to argue with these loonies. They don't want a discussion or a debate. Whatever you say they will twist or ignore. They just want everybody else to pay their way for them. It's just another example of the something for nothing gang at work. So let 'em talk, honest citizens will see them for what they are.
I don't think true fiscal conservatives are loonies. The purpose of this thread is to give them a chance to show that they are not just dishonest grandstanders (and therefore, perhaps, true "loonies"). I would rather start out with the notion that this is a principled discussion and be disappointed than start out with a cynical view that they are loonies and be wrong.
But I do appreciate your view. I am becoming persuadable.
TYFCB
"The purpose of this thread is to give them a chance to show that they are not just dishonest grandstanders"
Pot meet Tony.
Now the duty is on you to point out what I have said that is untruthful or dishonest.
TYFCB
Now just to be the devil's advocate , isn't Chuck Scholz grandstanding when he gets up and enforces his stance on what ever pet project he is the spokes person for ?
See QPL , Lincoln Commission , etc etc etc
So people engaging in the process of Government are "Grandstanders" .......
That is a pretty disturbing thought .
10:34 AM
Point out where he said he and his mouse snail mailed the letter.
The video proves otherwise.
"Sent" He had already conceded that some of the aldermen didn't have email.
TYFCB
How freaking petty can you be??? First off, any alderman or woman without an email address should resign. They are not effective and can't possibly do the City's business without modern communication. Secondly, all city owned cell numbers except for fire and police should be published and a monthly accounting of call should be available for public viewing. Lastly, get a life counselor.
Here's the passage from his speech.
"On April 26th, I sent a letter via email to Mayor Spring, some local media and every member of the city council (that has a published email address) expressing my concerns and many of those without emails were called"
You're wrong or dishonest. Pick one.
Grandstanding?
I think I remember watching a city council meeting when someone was using Chuck Scholz and his influence to try and win the recycle contract.
Bushie is correct. I doubt, if you had to actually bill hours to the taxpayer, that it would equal the nearly $100k you cost us. Go out and pick up some trash along the side
of a city street or something. Make yourself useful instead of the constant elitist denograting
of the people that keep you at the QCC.
The parenthetical is yours, not his.
That's dishonest. You are your own built-in refutation.
Even if every word you place there is accurate, the day before the third reading is pretty weak grass roots action.
Saul Aulinsky would be ashamed.
TYFCB
"The parenthetical is yours, not his."
Not true. Go read what he wrote for yourself.
http://www.quincynews.org/local-news/quincy-city-council-allows-speakers.html
And you spelled Alinsky wrong.
Saul Aulinsky is the rules I follow . I don't think the tea party folks are as well read as some of us junkies .
But the fear of what was to be said was greater than what was said .
:) Saul was correct
To the recycle anon :
Who got the city money after 18 years ?
So answer the question , is there a difference between Chuck or Steve addressing the Governing body of the city ?
Bushie,
Just for an example, you think the people of the first ward didn't know that Virgil Goehl didn't have an email capability when they reelected him? You're trying to decide something that's not yours to decide. Sure, computer literacy is useful but some voters have obviously decided it is not essential. You liked the electorate in 2004, when 43 was reelected. How come you disagree with them now?
Look, it wasn't me who said they had this massive city government contact program or this well-oiled grass roots organization. You can say "Get a life" all you want [kind of beneath your usual performance but your call.] but all I'm doing is testing the edges of the Public Pronouncement that Mr. McQueen was so determined to make.
I guess you want him to be free to speak but nobody to be question any of the pearls he lays down, huh?
You are better than that.
TYFCB
1406,
I am all in favor of people engaging their right to engage (and pay) counsel.
TYFCB
5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."
Is my favorite of the RULES
1411,
I have testified in court at least 25 times as an expert witness on the issue of calculation of attorney fees and compensation.
Put your resume in this regard in your next submission and I'll post it.
On the other prong, you have me confused. It's bad when Exempt City Employees get together to play golf at a PUBLIC GOLF COURSE. Now it's also bad if some of us play at a private course? Maybe you're just anti-golf.
You have a lot of opinions, though. That's nice for you. You get to decide how other people should act, spend their money, their leisure time and how much they should be paid for their work. Why, you're practically King of the World!
You're also pretty funny "denograte" For a minute, I thought your were talking about a midget pomegranate or something. Then I thought your were talking about an old TV Show (Dyno-mite!). Finally, I realized you were just attempting to use a word you could neither spell nor understand: "denigrate". (Be careful how you use that one.)
Have a nice life.
At a minimum parenthetical's somebody else's. I'll go with what I heard him say. Maybe I'll listen to the replay, maybe not. Whole concepts pretty weak even with your version--one business day's notice. Real Big Boy Grass Roots.
On the spello, it was not my intention to d-e-n-o-g-r-a-t-e ol' Saul.
TYFCB
Oh, that reminds me
"Here's what he woulda said if he had time"
What's that?
Just sayin'
"...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'
Also works wonders :
See Spring's radio talk or HW interviews .
" I hope Mr McQueen goes to the park board and the county board or hell even the school board "
"Some people attack the city "
Ridicule , fear , and frozen
Made Drudge :)
UMR
The whole premise of your post is wrong. I hope you didn't waste too much of your bonus mailing yourself letters from various locations around town.
You listen to the replay. Then come back and apologize.
What is your hourly rate?
Depending on the task more or less $175.00
Special for you: $525.00
I did listen again. There is no pretense of even first class mail to those not having a published email. It's even worse than I thought.
QNO's rendition is paraphrased. The parenthetical is disgested.
So all these non-responsive surface mailing Aldermen of whom the baggers complain, never got this mystery "letter" at all. Very nice citizen participation.
Don't write Aldermen you want to bash and then call them inaccessible. Bit of a tautology, isn't it?
Every single R alder"person" is wired and responds to email . ONLY 1 , (who I USED to think was bright) on the Dem side has and knows how to work email , he is Stevie D .
Don't get the UMR panties too bunched up . This is NOT the CWS years , even though CWS has never figured out email , he does have one . Also CWS would have only made Drudge off a flood and not some dumb ass Jr high move.
I would LOVE to say we out played Spring , but the fact is he caught us by surprise , unlike him waiting 24 hours for that to hit . We are a bit more "wired" and he felt the political pain that was deserved .
His way out is very clear , play NICE . Try to build a bridge , work with others .
Or four more years of the last week . We don't have to create the mess , all we have to do is be there.
Even the semi retarded anon who is the "spokes person for the City" , can't get it . Going head to head in direct warfare has been besides a few 100 votes a losing game .
CWS would never have let this happen , but then again you had far too many adults at that table .
Took,
At least Bauer and Holtschlag use email. I'll have 'em shoot you one and you can be pen pals.
TYFCB
Can't hardly have an honest discussion of your compensation if you whack every comment that has the word pension in it. That's dishonest and cowardly.
I'd bet your raise you don't have a whole lot of $175/hr billable in a year's time either. Now you can go back to trying to convince everyone that you are the smartest man in town. We'll both know the truth.
We would welcome it . As you know very well , our hearts are pure . We all want the same goal , just not the same means to said goal is the problem .
Times changed one year ago , it is time for Spring's camp to evolve . Or they can play circa 99 , which I am cool with .
You and I always say Post a chess match we must live next to each other , this is a gentleman's sport .
That would be Bower. I keep getting Jack and Dave mixed up.
Sorry about that, took.
TYFCB
2002,
Not my goal. You can be the smartest anon in town.
I'll be glad to post your bona fide credentials as an expert witness on the issue of attorney compensation.
Send 'em on over.
TYFCB
Gee Tookie, how long are you going to play the Chuck Scholz and Drudge Report cards?
So you or Goughstanza forwarded the QNO story to Matt Drudge. Not like he has an agenda. Congrats, making the Drudge Report is akin to having your letter published in Penthouse Forum.
And please stop with the Chuck Scholz lovefest. We've had over four years of your rantings that John Spring is no Chuck Scholz. The problem is that you're so transparent, it's almost painful to watch. Seriously, if Chuck had been in office the past four years and made the same decisions as Spring, would you have acted any differently? Would JRG be taking pictures of Chuck's car at Westview and publishing them on your website?
I anxiously await to see your answer to these questions.
So now the criteria for comments on this blog is being an expert witness on the subject on which you are posting? Nice duck and run.
0435,
Not at all. It was you who wanted to say the things about which I have unique knowledge and about which I answered our questions were false. At that point, it was fair to compare expertise.
It's really the same old flaw in posting anon. I put my training and experience in the street and you hide behind your carping anon.
TYFCB
CWS would have had that pic taken if he had been mayor and pushed a bad agenda through , then went for golf fest .
Also anon CWS was far smarter than the current children running the sandbox .
But enjoy
5:32
What does your expertise have to do with answering the question of how much pension you are eligible for?
I realize this will whiz right over your head because your universe is so narrow.
It doesn't matter to the discussion of the forthrightness of the TP's (which was the topic of this thread) what my compensation is (which is posted in the newspaper annually anyhow.) So that part of your obsession is just a side trip. If I happen to retire before I die. I will then post my pension benefit (down to the penny). In the meantime, it is just your way of changing the subject and you are really tiresome about it.
Municipal employees, generally speaking, are IMRF members. I didn't make that up and I'm at least the fourth generation of City Attorney hired on that basis.
Now try to make some worthwhile comment that is vaguely on topic.
TYFCB
UMR, regarding my comment about emails, Virgil might be the exception. He pays more attention to what goes on in his ward than most alder-people. As far as "you getting a life", I still think you were reaching a bit. I would feel better about your intentions if it were a double edged sword from time to time.
I think the real danger in what the elected aldermen did was to stiffle the public knowledge of city government. I believe it was extremely elitist. Actually, I thought it was snotty. I'm all for knocking the elitist smart ass elected official off his stallion anytime they think they are entitled.
Just some random thoughts. The times, they are a changing......
So just for an example, when I supported Bush's surge or blasted Obama for his shocking pick for Attorney General, that was not double-edged?
Your sincerity is appreciated, as is your participation.
TYFCB
I think Bushie is referring to city gov't. Which you can't do. Cause you're a sell out.
ABC,
Tell em to hire you know who, the guy who can turn a 15-minute prelim into a three hour exercise in hair-pulling. He can file motions, and we can all come back in a few months.
Ta da! As my 3-year-old niece likes to say, "No more ploblems!"
Tookie,
I call BS on you. First of all, there would never be a QNO or Tookie blog if CWS was still in office. You know it, and I know it. Secondly, assuming QNO did exist during a Chuck Scholz administration, you and RJG would still never run the crap you have. All the proof I needed to know that was to see what two vehicles Goughstanza and you decided to publish pictures of on the website. I'm still waiting for a photo of Gough's good city employee friend that also participated in that outing. But who am I kidding, you and Goughstanza have made it perfectly clear that you're more interested in presenting your own agenda and selling ad space than being fair and non-biased. And if that's what you want, then so be it. Just stop pretending that QNO is anything more than the local on-line version of the National Enquirer.
RH,
That guy has a very low hourly rate but it doesn't matter. It takes him four hours to watch "60 Minutes"
TYFCB
2:52 PM
I call BS on you. There would still be a need for a QNO, not necessarily a Tookie blog, even if Scholz was still in office. Spring has accelerated its success with his bush league tactics. Stay tuned, much more to come I'm sure. This guy makes everything about him. Stop trying to kill the messenger and go tell Spring not to be such a tool. You seem to be overly sensitive about Umr's golf outing. Go start your own on line news source or blog. Tell the people about all the smart and good things coming out of the Spring administration. Better hurry, at the rate he's going, he ain't gonna make it through his next term. Umr could write some ridiculous spin for you.
anon 2:52
Besides the dept heads and mayor's car photos at a golf outing the day after they were voted raises, which other stories at QNO would you say have been unfair and biased?
We did out CWS and the Looking For Lincoln . Also the JRG "blog" is an editorial/ opinion section of QNO .
I think Bob is doing pretty darn good at reporting , the City Admin is failing at speaking to him .
But maybe Springer will see the light and start dialogue , or maybe he won't .
Keep reading
2:52
Here's a little something for you and Spring's to do list. Go find some thicker skin. You look like a tired bunch of crybabies.
1452,
While I don't agree with every word you wrote, I can make this observation: If you grow thicker skin--based upon the reaction to what you wrote--you'll be the first.
TY All FCB
Tookie,
Was Chuck still mayor when you suppossedly "outed" him?
As for your boy Gough and fair reporting, that would be laughable if it wasn't so blatently dishonest. And let's not pretend to separate his blog from the news site. They both pander to the same "blame everything on City Hall" malcontent's that have put QNO on a pedestal without actually questioning the character and integrity of you or Mr. Gough.
You've had no problem throwing John Spring under the bus since he took office. You've routinely allowed your readers to call city officials names such as Nazi's and fascist's, while also allowing them to imply that many city workers are lazy and undeserving of their jobs. Please show me how that is "fair" news coverage. Are we to believe there aren't things in both you and Gough's backgrounds that would paint less than flattering potrayals?
As the old cliche goes, people in glass houses.....
Maybe all the folks who are unemployed can hold a bake sale to raise the money to pay their tax increases so IT Director Jim Murphy can have his much earned raise.
5/16/2009 08:29:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Then they could have a garage sale to raise the needed funds to give Walker the raise he deserves for his outstanding performance during Firegate.
5/16/2009 08:33:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Perhaps a lemonade stand would provide the means to acquire the money to give Utilities Director Kent his much needed pay hike for his outstanding leadership in misrepresenting the sewer/water/tax increase. and holding the information until after the election.
5/16/2009 08:40:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For the first time in more than three decades Social Security recipients will not receive a benefit increase, formally known as a cost of living adjustment (COLA), in 2010, federal forecasts show, The New York Times reports.
Maybe John Ohnemus Director of Transit Lines could provide bus service for SS recipients to go door to door asking for donations to help them pay their increased taxes to make sure he gets his over $21k in sick pay buy back.
5/16/2009 08:50:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Maybe the city legal dept could cough up all the documents denied to QuincyNews.org in FOIA requests and give them the recently laid off folks from Quincy Compressor and the soon to be laid off folks at Shottenkirk. They could hold a silent auction of the mayor's automobile logs to make sure the Airport Director Marty Stegeman gets his much deserved pay bump for the outstanding job he's done with the airport.
5/16/2009 08:59:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
James Spizzo and Mike Klingner could pool the interest on the nearly $1m they received from Spring and donate it to the 200 laid off employees at Knapheide so they can pay their taxes to make sure the Central Services Director Mike Beebe and his alderman sons assistants the Reis boys get their raises for their outstanding supervisory skills during Firegate.
5/16/2009 09:27:00 AM
0747,
Quoting yourself? Thank you for this most compelling contribution to modern governmental thought.
TYFCB
It's funny how every time a criticism is made of Tookie/Gough's past history/employment, its met with silence.
2:05 is right. There is a lack of discussion about the past here.
12:53 PM, May 16, 2009
You are welcome!!
1405,
I'm curious what it is you want to have happen. How do we constructively go from a discussion of "Spending Protestor" behavior and the phantom letter, to a resume of a reporter who didn't have anything to do with the "Spending Protestor's" behavior.
Looking at it another way, if the positions were reversed, would you answer somebody who throws up innuendo about your past employment in a third party's blog? If so, why would you do that?
I don't particularly object to what you're doing but I'm really curious what your purpose and expectations are.
TYFCB
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