QUINCY TEE PARTY???
In 35 years of attending City Council meetings, I have never seen what I saw tonight. No, not tax protesters (Oh, excuse me, "Spending Protesters"), not peaceful demonstrators, not a Con Law Lecture from Professor Emeritus Hrudicka. Been all those places. Done That. Got the T shirt.
No, this was big. A guy attended the entire city council meeting with an extra long golf tee behind his ear. That was a new one!
I figure there are four possibilities:
1. It was symbolic of Quincy Tea Party and he just had trouble spelling "Tea"
2. It was inspired by the Secret Squirrel photography session at Westview;
3. It was a statement that he belongs to the leisure class and attends city council meetings as a hobby.
4. He has a nerve deficit and didn't know it was there.
On a related topic, we reduced our "leave-hat-on-in-public-building-rude-guy" count by four down to two. Guys, I'm happy you're veterans. Wear a lapel pin and take your hat off indoors.
posted by UMRBlog @ 01:04
30 comments
30 Comments:
Don't you find it the slightest bit unethical to have an alderman vote on a pay increase for their children?
You're just discovering this issue within city gov't this year?
You must be golf tee guy with no nerve endings.
TYFCB
UMR 6:29 AM
No, and you didn't answer the question.
The law's pretty clear. No ethical bar to voting on anything impacting children or grandchildren, brothers or sisters.
Now that we have covered the minimum conduct standards for elected officials, please give us your opinion and its basis.
I know. You thought I'd never ask.
TYFCB
UMR, how do the the Con & Roberts Rules interrelate, if at all? Penny for your thoughts, any merit to the codger's argument?
I think it's an obvious conflict of interest.
OK, that's a conclusion. Define the interest. Define the conflict, do the balancing test and the public policy implicated and you would then have a real grown-up thought.
TYFCB
No. The failure of his argument is the presumption that the First Amendment implies an opportunity to be heard during a formal meeting of the public body.
As a consequence the alleged "collision" between "First Amendment Rights" and Roberts Rules is a contrivance (innocent probably, but a contrivance). There is no collision.
To take that to the next step is to try to imagine a situation in which Robert's Rules would collide with any portion of the Constitution. Maybe in some of the provisions about the Chair's discretion in counting the house or in the body seating members but never in suspending the rules.
I'm sure most of our readers already realize that the Illinois School Code requires open forum time. That's a statutory thing. It doesn't arise from the Constitution.
TYFCB
9:15
Save your lawyer speak for the pizza dude.
The children (or whoever) were given the jobs because of who they are in the first place. Now each year their relative votes to give them raises. If you don't see a conflict of interest there, there's not much I can say to convince you.
You argue points of principled ethics like a wife argues with her husband: All that matters is "I feel". You subjective view cancels everything else out.
In debate, they call this a definitional stop. It is an impermissible technique precisely for the reason that it halts debate and the development of cogent thought.
So you just go along with your fixed opinion of how everybody else should act and we'll try to promote mature discussion of public issues here with the participation of people who can actually discuss concepts instead of just making pronouncements.
TYFCB
9:55
Good luck with that.
Man UMR ,
You need to see if JWCC has a class called don't talk if it will make you look stupid . If they do offer such a class , I would enroll one of your clients in it .
Ego + mike = jack@ss award .
Tookie,
Pehaps you could teach a class at JWCC on how to perfect the spoiled brat act.
Subjects could include....
* Start an agenda-driven blog when the new mayor doesn't reward your family the city recycling contract
* Fund an on-line news site, but slant the coverage based on your criteria and mood swings.
* How to make a fool of yourself at your party's Primary victory celebration by acting like Joe Joe the Monkey Boy while the local news covered the event.
* What to do if the other guy wins the election. Lock your blog and then disallow reader comments, so only the the blogger can make a point.
These are just a few of the subjects you could teach Tookster, but with all the time you have on your hands, I'm sure you could come up with dozens more in no time.
Not whacking last one was a close call.
Some personal invective there but there are also presentable transparency/bias issues.
But Tookie's a big boy and he can choose to defend if he wants. Also, when a guy puts up big boy money for a business operation the test is kind of whether it is successful.
It's not like they've run out of stuff to write about.
Have at it.
I am semi busy with other things . I only post what I feel like and when I feel like it .
I actually rarely read the blogs these days .
But please keep reading
I'm crushed. I thought you were in here every thirty minutes!
TYFCB
Also I dance like a no rhythm monkey on oxicot cut with meth . I admit my foot work is piss to poor . If I was a baseball player i would bat around .00000000000000001 if my dancing was hitting .
Also on the topic of recycling I did bring the City $ after 18 years of you all NOT doing that .
Keep reading
We enjoy all sets of eyes
* but here is an idea
Have Spring talk to Bob . Maybe an Olive branch .......or Bob can just continue as is .
I also sing like crap . I think I can sing , yet I could not hold a note that won't make dogs howl . So dancing is out and singing is WAY out.
SO keep reading
I'm sure you'll see the guy in the hat again. Why don't you go up to him and tell him take it off instead of being a tough guy smart ass behind your keyboard. It's starting to sound like whining.
How many of the aldermen have how many family members that will get the raise they passed?
I'd say that's a conflict of interest.
Take a look at the Dept Heads individually. For example, if they promote from within for Walker's position, the new guy will come in making more than Walker did with no chiefing experience. Where else other than government does that happen?
Or the bus guy. That position's salary will be set and someone with no where near the experience will start at his ending salary. Doesn't happen anywhere but government and it's been perfected here in Quincy.
1558,
Sure, just like I'll tell the nosepicker on the south aisle to use his handkerchief. This is a matter of manners, not sightlines. I'm not the guy's mother.
I'm not anonymous. If he wants to have it out with me over his first amendment right to wear his lid at City Council. I'm easy to find.
It's rude and I said it's rude. What the heck is wrong with that?
TYFCB
I'd bet your taxpayer funded pay raise on #2. That's #2.
If i had made it back in town in time , I bought a new hat with a skull and cross bones esp for King Spring's hall .
Tookie,
Your Momma brought you up better than that. I'd rat you out and she'd pimp-slap you.
TYFCB
I've see this guy around his whole adult life. It'd be the first clever or even vaguely amusing thing he's ever done.
TYFCB
No at this point I am very sure Momma Tookie is fully engaged with the "rebels" < once it got out how pissy pants King John gets over hats in his chambers..........well hats are the fashion of choice .
p.s. : trying to relearn mac in which i started > not hard but just different .
UMR, Joe Cocker said you can leave your hat on.
You can also down a whole box of "Mike and Ike" in the CC meeting if you are trying to quit smoking, I said that.
You need to get out in the 'hood more. You're reading too much!
TYFCB
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