Tuesday, November 14, 2006


.......Everyone in the energy industry will be laid off. Energy will not be as available as it is in Basra. Your pets will freeze to death during the day and there will be brownouts on Super Bowl Sunday!

Gee. ya think somebody will leap into the private market and figure out how to make a profit selling energy to consumers? [Yes, I know, Gov'tal price controls are stupid--but so is lifting them suddenly once they have been in place for a few years.]


At 8:49 AM, November 14, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at St Louis.com

Search "Ameren"

Profits last 1/4 "only" $293 million

Then read all the articles on Ameren&coned $$$$ to election

At 8:50 AM, November 14, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

P.s. Check mail box today for two books

At 9:07 PM, November 14, 2006, Anonymous Rob Mellon said...

Why should the city pay $1 million a year more than the current rate -I say we need to invest in new technologies (wind, solar, water) to provide power. Rate freezes are not the best answer - alternative energy sources are a more attractive choice.

At 6:36 AM, November 15, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Rob, the critical juncture is an economically feasible delivery system for hydrogen power. It uses just as many dead dinosaurs to make a gallon of ethanol as it does to make a gallon of gas.

In the short run, Ethanol and Ethanol on Steroids, E-85, are great market makers but they don't postpone the day, the world runs out of fossil fuel.

Hybriding at least delays Judgment Day. Hydrogen makes dead dinosaurs moot. Now,if we can figure out a delivery/production system.


At 8:47 AM, November 15, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check your facts. At this time it takes a lot of energy much of which comes from fossil fuel to make hydrogen. Hydrogen - a good clean fuel - now let's figure out how to make it economically without using more energy to make it than it yields. Same problem with ethanol per many experts.

At 10:18 AM, November 15, 2006, Blogger UMRBlog said...


It was not bad fact-checking, it was inelegant phrasing. You are currently correct. The difference is that the "raw material" for hydrogen is not in short supply. Just like when we "couldn't" make fresh water out of sea water, we still have process issues (and storage issues). The crucial factual backdrop differential is that there is no geology and no fertilizer required for the raw material leading to hydrogen.

I trust, from your words, that you agree with me that ethanol is more important in saving the Iowa Caucus than in saving the world.


At 11:35 AM, November 15, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to agree with you on anything. I am forced to agree, however, that hydrogen is the fuel of the future and we need to figure out how to make it efficiently.

I am told ethanol takes more energy to produce than it yields. (farm input and harvest costs, herbicides, etc. and manufacturing using natural gas, etc.) and that E85 is less efficeint in an automible than regular gas. Certainly the grain farmers stand to gain with higher per buschel prices but what about the hog and cattle feeder who needs the same grain for his stock and what us meat eaters have to pay for dinner at the grocery?

Thanks for letting me vent.

At 1:27 PM, November 16, 2006, Anonymous Rob Mellon said...

I have researched this issue and I really do not understand fully how it takes the same amount of fossil fuel to create Ethanol. I agree with you 100% on hydrogen power - I brought that up on more than one occasion during the candidate forums. I know that the technology is not currently available - that is why I proposed a Manhattan Project for energy - I guess the first Manhattan Project had just a little to do with energy (sarcasm) - but I am thinking of a more constructive use of energy. In regards to ethanol – why can’t we use ethanol as part of a comprehensive energy policy? So if 50% of the cars in ten years drive on E85 you are telling me that we would be consuming foreign oil at the same level? If so, where can I get this information so I can better understand the issue?


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