VIEW FROM THE ROAD: SUNDRY
Not very many election days find me out of town but it was safe to leave today.
I guess a few of the local newsies were having trouble with the concept that HB687 has nothing to do with "concealed carry."
Governor of Louisiana is a beautiful, gifted speaker but he needs to practice teleprompter. It's amazing how people go totally sing-song when they get one of those gizmos in front of them.
Local GOP primary barely showed a pulse. Imagine how much money we could could have saved if they just let Greg Baise's polling company pick the winner. Soon Greg's gonna learn where the city limits are. In the meantime, the local GOP seems to worship at his results anyhow.
Why do parties commission polls and leak them? I thought they were pretty much planning tools that were used internally. Silly me.
Talk about economic downturns! Manny Ramirez was offered $45M to play for two years for the Dodgers. He turned it down, the economy's in the tank and Manny's still unemployed. So far his agent has earned six percent of zero. Unless, of course, something happened today while I was at work.
Second ward Alderman contest was a race between two really good men. The unsuccessful candidate will continue to be a great credit to his family and his community.
My trip involved a look into the practice of human genome analysis. I don't understand most of what I saw but here's one thing I do know. I watched $10,000.00 in medical research take place in LESS THAN ONE SECOND. That's one Hell of an hourly rate!
posted by UMRBlog @ 19:46
49 comments
49 Comments:
The Spring campaign did the same poll about the hydro and dirty Chicago money. Care to guess why they didn't share?
How would characterize Spring's trouble with understanding just what his organization Mayors Against Illegal Guns stands for? He too seems a bit confused. He's either lying now or he's stupid.
Imagine how much money we could could have saved if they just let Tony Cameron lose the firefighter case?
2109,
Review para 5 of initial post. Place special emphasis upon "Planning Tool"
TYFCB
Anon 0447,
Remarkable--Original Post had like 8 subtopics and you somehow managed to miss them all.
TYFCB
2120,
Right after you explain to me what on God's Green Earth this has to do with HB 687.
On trick ponies usually lose their audience after a while.
TYFCB
HB687 has been talked about being incorporated into the CCW bill . Then if you got a CCW permit you would be required to carry that level of insurance .
MAIG is a pretty fringe group of moon beams , I think speaking from a gun owner's views , I do not like Mustache singing something like that .
We do live in the heart of gun country .
So for Spring to go after a bill that is doa is pretty weak , not that I expected much better .
I also think we could have hired any lawyer to lose the firegate case .
Polls used as a tool to plan are great , but I also think it is great to share the results . Even if your results aren't what you were looking for , why hide the cards.
Mannie is also just being Mannie .
Also Primaries at this time have an issue called Florida and a ton of voters winter there from 4th and 5th wards. Part of the process .
Maybe it's not going anywhere because grownups commented negatively about it.
Surely you're not making an argument against public officials taking public positions on pending legislation.
Manny being Manny, poorly represented.
TYFCB
Mr. UMR,
If you can't see Spring is pandering to the crowd by opposing HB687, and his opposite view in joining MAIG , you haven't researched either situation. He is just trying to cover his A** by throwing a useless bone after it surfaced he is a member of MAIG.
Quoting Anon 9:20 "He's either lying now or he's stupid".
This newsie did not have any trouble understanding that CCW and HB 687 are not the same.
However, this newsie believes that if the Mayor says "I oppose this piece of gun legislation" then he has opened the door to being asked "Okay, if you oppose THAT one, what about THIS one?" (THIS one being CCW).
And the Mayor gave a reasonable answer, I thought, whether or not I agree with him is immaterial.
Manny will always be simply Manny and that is why he is loved in post season yet hated the rest of the year .
Also that bill is DOA and we all know that . The $1 mil insurance tag would send the State into full fledged revolt .
CCW will most likely get buried in normal State House manners .
MAIG should be dumped but the Stache has the biggest flaw ever , he just can't admit he isn't the smartest guy in the room and that he like us all makes mistakes.
Character flaw
p.s. : When does Sara Nelson move to Quincy ? I am sure the Durbin signal has been lit
Observer,
I haven't spent a lot of time researching MAIG but I didn't see anywhere where they were invoking $1M insurance for the mere privilege of owning firearms.
If MAIG has expressed an opposite view regarding insurance, please give me a URL and I'll look at it.
I read the News on the Web from Out of Town but I'm pretty sure his press release was about HB 687, about which MAIG has expressed no position.
Seems like every other holder of a FOID card around here is an expert in gun control legislation but I'm not. Please educate me about this "opposite" insurance view.
TYFCB
It is very clear that MAIG is a very fringe anti gun group .
John signed us all up for this and that is a flat out mistake . Then again he seems to make a ton of those .
CWS never moved farther left than the local NRA stance , I wonder why ?
Newsie 1458,
Respecting your "Opened The Door" opinion, I say you paint with a broad brush. "Guns" in general is a pretty broad topic. Your position is akin to saying the mayor supports an enhanced penalty red light violations with kids in the car and saying, because he took a position on "Cars", he has opened the door to a question on traffic cams or raising the driving age to 21.
The other thing I would repectfully suggest is (and I'm not saying you did this), if a news organ concludes that someone took a position contrary to an earlier stated position, that news organ should recognized that is an editorial position. It is a digested conclusion of the writer. Such digested conclusions should be clearly labeled in an Op-Ed area to avoid the writer's conclusions being passed off as "news". Again, not saying you did that, since I don't know who you are.
Of those who did just that, you already know who you are and you know better.
Just so I am clear, the last two paragraphs are my editorial opinion and I never commit journalism here, so I don't have to worry about it.
TYFCB
I got an idea , how about you start an online news site and bust your damn hump doing the work no one has in 24 years ............... then criticize it .
That Newsie out performs entire News Rooms and sells ads to boot .
He has also increased FOIA requests in 10 months .
I am by no means an expert on gun control legislation. However, with the election of Obama, I'm reading fast, and buying guns faster.
I don't think I implied that MAIG backed HB 687. My point was aimed at Mayor Spring and his trying to be on both sides of gun control. i.e.--No need for one mil in insurance, but belonging to an organization that wants to take guns away from law abiding citizens. As I've said before---You can't ban illegal guns from criminals.--that's why their called criminals-they have illegal guns.
You have to read all their (MAIG)proposals and see who backs them, who funds them, who their members are, and what those members believe, to really see the whole story.
Spring screwed up-why won't he admit it. This is making him look silly.
So after you study up on MAIG, tell us all what you think. I think the mighty Spring stepped in it and he's got far too big an ego to admit it.
Now it's your turn.
Since concealed carry is an extremely popular topic it is curious why the mayor chose to come out "so boldly" (That is an editorial opinion) for the won't-ever-see-the-light-of-day liability insurance legislation but seemed to be payned (pun intended, another editorial opinion) about answering a concealed carry question.
Fast Eddie Husar included MAIG in his story. KNP included cooncealed carry and MAIG in his stories. Guess we're all a bunch of editorializin' honkies.
I guess ERM wasn't doin' "news" when he was doin' them stories about ol' Joe McCarthy. We newsies gotta remember to stick to the talkin' points.
And if you are saying the mayor's news release had nothing to do with the heat he has taken over his membership in MIAG, then can I interest you in buying one or two bridges we have over Big Muddy?
That being said, QuincyNews.org was the only news organization that posted both the mayor's press release and his letter to the legislators in their entirety.
And I didn't redact a thing, which is more than I can say for the information I get following a request from City Hall...I kid because I care.
A question on another point of your post: I'd like to know your thoughts on the viability of online voting.
I'm thinking that could save a buck or two.
JimBob 1914,
I have actually studied this quite a bit because it's common in corporate voting now.
UltraShort form is that I'm for it. It won't save as much money as is generally thought but I think, at least as one option to vote, some form of it is invevitable.
It's gotta be more secure than the Oregon mail-in ballot. The added cost arises in the security and audit trail pieces.
TYFCB
2Key,
Not trashing anybody's effort or denying the niche needed filling. Making a VERY SPECIFIC observation about separating opinion from reportage.
Stating that opposing 687 in some way contradicts membership in MAIG is simply a conclusion, perfectly proper editorial activity. That's completely different from placing in the story that the Mayor belongs to the organization. That's context.
As soon as you go the next step and say the two are somehow inconsistent with one another, that's op-ed.
If I were running a news organ, I think I'd be glad somebody was reading it closely enough to offer a constructive observation. Information services is kind of about the marketplace of ideas, after all.
TYFCB
I was OOT and did not hear KP. Did he just mention concealed carry and the mayor's opinion or did he also conclude that Mayor was somehow being inconsistent?
Observer,
You appear so consumed with your general thematic point that you can't be bothered with the details of what he actually said or did.
You and I are closer together on the second amendment than you think but this is a much more nuanced point. Mayor takes a position on a specific piece of legislation and you go on an autopilot gun control rant. The devil's in the details. (Yes, I hate that aphorism, too.)
TYFCB
JimBob 1848,
A plausible explanation is that the Dunkin Proposal filled up the electronic media all weekend. You couldn't tune a radio or watch TV without it filling up your senses.
I was not around later Monday so I don't know if it continued, but, damn, you couldn't escape it over the weekend. Beats me why it was such big news on WGN and local media here, but it was.
TYFCB
Oh I love all readers and the comments aka instant letter to the Editor at Project Goo !
I think I sometimes read the comments four or five times . I think Goo gets pretty good feed back to the pulse of the readers .
and I am very correct that CWS and GS would have never ever ever gone left of the NRA on any gun issue in the Q .
CWS would even lead the candle marches on right to life .
The Q has a fine line , yes close to Durbin , but yet very far off his leanings of late .
Conservative Catholic yet Liberal Democrat ......
the Q is a Dichotomy
Good defense of your mayor umrblogger. But hey, that's what we pay you to do isn't it?
Also, in your research on MAIG, read the statements from the mayors who quit. Change their name to John Spring and have him read it. Good luck.
1953,
In fact, it isn't. Tiresome theme. My time, my internet connection, my computer.
Give it a rest. You're a Macro.
TYFCB
I know you don't like to stray from your topic, but offer up your take on how Spring putting Quincy on the list of supporters of MAIG is a wise thing to do.
2013,
Fair Question and I would love to have a frank discussion of that. Problem with that is I'm one of the City's attorneys and can't comment about any official policy decisions of the Mayor and council.
That's why I was so careful to limit this discussion to the Mayor's political position on 687. I'll bet Tookie will answer this one for you.
TYFCB
JimBob Continued,
ERM did have a separate commentary section. Besides, he had vid of McCarthy, which was probably the best possible reportage he could marshall. Finally, he could truthfully report on the impact of McCarthy's crap on decent Americans and he didn't have to editorialize.
As they say in the trade.....res ipsa loquitor.
oops,
"loquitur" is correct.
Uh-Oh - - Laywer speak has shown up !
You have mis-understood what I said ---again. Spring is trying to be on both sides of the same subject. Actually I don’t care what he says, I’ll be OK. I’m not consumed or on a rant, but he should be held accountable to his inconsistences.
Stop with the aphorism analogy, which doesn’t work, and quoting Ross Peroit.
I’m glad we’re close on agreement on the 2nd amendment.
That's ok. I have by bouts with "loquitur" my self.
"My time, my internet connection, my computer. "
Not was I referring to. But you already know that.
Alpha Bravo Charlie,
Ed (Murrow, not Husar...who in his new blog says he is not really a God. Many of us are crestfallen) had video of McCarthy, today people have the mayorsagainstillegalguns.org Website to research and draw their own conclusions.
Admit it...you are really at Spring Training, aren't you?
Actually, I'm back and on the DL for a few days.
Excellent Point about the MAIG being webvailable. Reader really doesn't need anyone to tell him if the legislative position is inconsistent with membership because the reader can examine it and form his own conclusions.
Submitted that makes the conclusionary comment in a news story not only a traverse of the news/op-ed division, but superfluous anyhow. It's even more. Adds even more loquitur to the res ipsa.
And yes, I wish I were in Tucson now, Spring training late in the day and the accenture match play in the a.m. Alas, I am trapped in the central time zone.
TYFCB
Jesus man, you can't even put on a damn blog no one reads whether or not you think MAIG is worthwhile organization? Pretty cowardly.
If no one reads it and you're reading it, what does that make you?
If you can't tell principle from cowardice, there's not much I can do for you.
TYFNOCB
I actually went to the Latin Mass today. Even with the translation missal, it is tough to follow. I'll get the hang of it.
I'd forgotten how beautiful that church is. I went there when I first moved to Quincy as I lived in the apartment complex at 8th and Cedar.
Will blog on the Lenten experience sometime during the weekend.
I think Skip Schumaker will play serviceable second base and hit about .315 as he gets better against lefty pitching (If TLR doesn't platoon him).
Principle? Further proof that you don't work for the city. You work for Spring and the taxpayers pay you to protect him. Not with this silly ass blog. Do you think if Bellis is elected you will remain employed by the city?
You seem to be the expert on my employment and retention by Government.
Counting the Mayor Pro Tem, I have done work for the City under six Mayors, five Democrats and one Republican.
When one represents a Corporation, one protects its corporate interests but the advice given to it is necessarily given to human beings. The city is a very old and established Municipal Corporation, staffed by human beings whom I from time to time advise. If that has the salutary effect of "protecting" them somehow, terrific. My client's the corporation.
That would kind of depend on all those bid proposals, wouldn't it?
TYFCB
Remarkable--Original Post had like 8 subtopics and you somehow managed to miss them all.
One of them was how to save money. That's dead on topic.
I'm still looking for the Clark Howard part of the post you seem to see.
Limit the hallucinogenics to weekends.
TYFCB
It's much easier to convince people that you are on the up and up when you whack comments that negate your argument. Keep up the quality work.
WhackWhiner,
I whacked an argument made because it was conceptually, legally and factually incorrect and because you or some other dim bulb like you has made it here about 25 times before. You get all hung up on the word "client" and mess yourself. Not going to house such crap here anymore.
Because I put up with it a few times was not a promise to tolerate forever.
As I've said here many times before, you have no constitutional right to be heard on my blog and no non-whack warranty, implied or expressed.
I did print your whine though in that I thought it might be important to your mental health. Kind of the cyberspace equivalent of primal screaming.
TYFCB
And you know I'm right. That makes 3-4 comments this thread that you've whacked. Absolutely your blog, absolutely your right. Your also a fraud, and you know it.
1516,
The contraction for "you are" is executed "you're."
I am exactly who I say I am and I am not anonymous. Nothing fraudulent about that.
On your obsession with the word "client", the child I represent pro bono, the adult who engages me or the corporation that might employ me are all "clients." The manner of compensation is not dispositive who is a "client".
And, yes, if you keep writing the same tripe, I'll keep whacking it.
TYFCB
You and Spring must have attended the same "never admit when you're wrong class" at Government Workers University. Give up the charade.
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