FROM OUR FRIENDS AT DELANCEY PLACE: OLD QUESTIONS OF FOREIGN POLICY
In today's excerpt--the phrase 'entangling alliances' and the policy of isolationism, both often falsely attributed to George Washington:
"The central interpretive strain of [George Washington's] Farewell Address has been to read it as the seminal statement of American isolationism. Ironically, the phrase most associated with this interpretive tradition, 'entangling alliances with none,' is not present in the Farewell Address. (Double irony, it appears in Jefferson's first inaugural, of all places). Here are the salient words, which isolationists hurled against Woodrow Wilson in 1917 and Franklin Roosevelt in 1941: 'Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are foreign to our concerns. ... 'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.'
"In truth, Washington's isolationist prescription rests atop a deeper message about American foreign policy, which deserves more recognition than it has received as the seminal statement in the realistic tradition. Here are the key words: 'There can be no greater error to expect, or calculate upon real favours from Nation to Nation. 'Tis an illusion which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard.' Washington was saying that the relationship between nations was not like the relationship between individuals, which could periodically be conducted on the basis of mutual trust. Nations always had and always would behave solely on the basis of interest.
"It followed that all treaties were merely temporary arrangements destined to be discarded once those interests shifted. In the context of his own time, this was a defense of the Jay Treaty, which repudiated the Franco-American alliance and aligned America's commercial interests with British markets as well as protection of the all-powerful British fleet."
Joseph J. Ellis, His Excellency, Knopf, Copyright 2004 by Joseph J. Ellis, p. 235.
posted by UMRBlog @ 00:01
38 comments
38 Comments:
You should do a post on the legal ramifications of not following a hiring policy and having a city attorney falsely claim that there exists a veterans preference hiring policy when in reality one does not.
That would be more interesting to everyone but you.
You're such a whiz, exactly what hiring policy has not been followed by local government?
I posted your off topic, one trick pony comment. Now subtantiate it. Since the City has adopted its hiring policy, exactly when and how has it been violated. You're the guy with all the answers. Bring it on.
Chad Tuzzo without following the policy.
Also, can you produce the document that spells out the city's veteran preference hiring policy you claim exists?
When co-relatives of the current Mayor HAND deliever an app , and the head of HR hand delievers the same app to TS and BK ....with "here's the best".......
It's not on the up and up . I won't press you on this because frankly your not either paying attention of building that wall .... but in this case a SPADE is a SPADE .
I think you have a pretty good gage of my radar by now , you are doing a ton of work on some of my "radar hits"
John ran on one thing , then does the opposite . Frankly this is something that needs to be out and addressed in the open .
The Vets Policy for City Hires is right next to the Vet's Home Policy on them.
You know where a Beebe gets HIRED over a Vet with a Degree in Industrial Engineering and Navy Nuke school grad who ran a POWER plant ...........
Fort the Vets Home power plant job .
The Vet's policy is called "Buddy/family " policy
Here's what I think:
There's is so much out-and-out hatred among some in the blogosphere for one guy who happens to be related to the current Mayor by marriage that those folks either assume stuff or make it up.
The Mayor's advisory committee reviews applications. About the last five city hires have been folks who were not vaguely insiders. Then the process begets one guy who is friends with this relative you folks act like you have video of some evil deed.
You're making an interesting argument. You want more independent judgment in the hiring process. This Mayor appoints a review committee, first ever. Then you don't like the results that come from the review process, so you unilaterally decide that the process is being somehow subverted. The committee started in the middle of 2005 and most of the names all you naysayers advance to "prove" your point went to work for the city long before that, so what do you have? Your own circular reasoning is all I see.
Moreover, you're saying by implication that the recent hires are somehow unqualified to hold their positions. What are your qualifications to make those calls?
I know Tookie's impressive credentials but he's blinded by a terminal case of Spring-hate. Anon's can't be presumed to know more about the new hires' performance than the Department Heads.
Your water's pretty good. Your streets are actually in better shape than they were thirty years ago. Your garbage gets picked up and your city taxes are pretty low. Perhaps it's because the folks running the City have a decent grasp on what they are doing. There's a thought.
TYFCB
New Tookie policy:
No governmental entity should hire anybody named Beebe.
There's some governmental due process and equal protection, huh?
TYFCB
Oh Uncle Tony I will bend your ear tonight . But this anger over a hire is bi-partisian to the extreme .
To quote YOUR words " Brent is the highest ranking Dem in the County "
Now why would a guy not be good for Brent , yet good for a NON-city worker , but relative of the Mayor ?
I bet 50 "myspace" pics of Boating Time ?
I bet cell pics with time/date stamps of said person going into Olson's office .
I bet the review aldermen getting called personally on the table , and telling the truth .
This kind of crap needs to stop .
Spring burnt his bridge with me a long time ago . As a person , he's a great guy . As a political person , we don't exchange xmas cards.
This is real clear cut , maybe it would pay to research by calling your 4th ward alderman .
I did .
Not when others ARE VETS and QUALIFIED ...........
Your damn right !
I think they left you out of the loop or are lying to you on this one unka.
Now tell us where we can find that vet policy the city has?
So you know for a fact that the Tuzzo hire followed the policy?
You have to admit you've been raggin on Beebe for three years at least.
Nobody supports vet's preference more than I but you really can't prove your point that there's something wrong with the CITY system by talking about something you think went wrong with the STATE hiring process.
Face it, your logic is that the last city hire shouldn't have been made because the guy's a friend of the fellow you find so noxious. Is that how you'd want your application for a job treated?
Whatever the Mayor does to make the hiring process more balanced and less partisan is never going to be enough for you. He started a review process when there was none. When you don't like a hire, you say the process was bypassed.
The logical extension of your position is a Civil Service Commission. Have you ever done business with a City that has one? Do you know how much such a Commission adds not just to cost but to the ability to discipline, correct, direct and reassign employees?
It seems to me, you just don't like who's making the hiring decisions. A lot of the anon's are just raving Kool Aid Drinkers. You're not. Thus, I have to assume you're twisting your passion all up in your other beef with the City.
Funny how nobody beefed about the system when four guys were hired onto the backs of garbage trucks who couldn't pull your hate object out of a photolineup. But as soon as someone who knows that fellow and is not hired for sanitation duty gets hired, the earth moves.
TYFCB
Now tell us where we can find that vet policy the city has?
1315,
The next time I discuss a client's new hire of a non-supervisory person will be the first.
"Then the process begets one guy who is friends with this relative you folks act like you have video of some evil deed."
You just discussed it right here above. Are you claiming the process was followed or not? Or are you saying you trust it was because that's the policy? There is nothing that prevents you from answering that question to the people who pay your salary.
Were there any other candidates for the airport manager job? The one hired with no experience seems to leave a trail back to City Hall. Bang up job going on out there. I think I might have a line on some jet fuel.
I discussed Tookie's allegation about a hire.
"Pay your Salary" the ultimate simpleton argument. Anon's from no place don't pay my salary. Personnel matters are no more public because someone's salary is paid by tax dollars. All information held by a public body is not public information.
One more chance, then we'll get back to city's vet policy. You said the "process" begot this guy. Which process did he go through? Are you saying he went through the review process or not?
If not what did you mean by this?
"Then the process begets one guy who is friends with this relative you folks act like you have video of some evil deed."
Whatever the hiring process is or is not, it wasn't an issue until someone close to the Hated One was hired. Only then was there a howl from the accusers that .....well, I don't know know what the allegation is because all I get from the gallery is "the process was not followed and ....I have pictures".
I'll bet the committee in each of the last dozen or so rank and file hires looked at more than one app. and......what a concept!.....made a selection. Golly, I thought that's what they were supposed to do.
So the gallery has its hair on fire that a friend of The Hated One got one of the recent jobs. Just because the usual bitchers are dyspectic doesn't mean there was anything wrong with the application and search process.
Inside Baseball......Pitcher of warm spit.
One result you don't like doesn't invalidate the process currently in use.
And you didn't answer the question.
Now, how about that vet hiring policy
you claim exists? Where you at on that today?
I guess I'll ask Sassen if he was consulted as per the hiring process. Pretty cut and dried. I think we know the answer since Tuzzo was canned as deputy and hangs with the in crowd. Just how do you think the majority of the people would feel about this hire? It's their tax dollars going to pay these people. I think right now certain people are in CYA mode and will use the ""There is nothing in the city code that dictates this process." defense.
Umr
The job wasn't posted.
1454,
"The Frenchman Rails at injustice..........has his supper and goes to bed."
"Most People" don't give a rat's rear end about government hiring and, I'm guessing, you wouldn't either if someone hadn't invoked the Hated One's initials.
Especially on holiday weekend beginning, most people wouldn't give a rodent's rear end and I'm about to join them in that apathy for at least three days.
Hope y'all have an excellent independence day holiday.
TYFCB
1455,
Interesting. If that were true, the beef would be the union's, wouldn't it. Perhaps you don't mean "posted" in the same way I'm using.
What are you suggesting?
Check your reply Monday.
UMR: for your info. The job was posted and nobody bid on it. It is a wastewater plant job. I don't think I should get into it further as I am not a spokesman for any city department or the Union anymore.
I think what the biggest issue is is that when the so mentioned Tuzzo was hired by the city Water Dept, there was not a job posting about that position....if so, I bet that half of dozen people that was fired from Prairie Farms might be a bit more qualified than a Deputy that WOULD NOT do his job...not saying can't but WOULD NOT....
Thats the problem with the city hiring process, they fill jobs that may and thats a strong maybe posted on the UNION Boards only, not on the city website....
As for the Airport Manager, I have heard that he is hoping that the airlines pull out. NO airlines coming in and out would get Homeland Security out of the airport...no TSA's, and a loss of 6-8 employees......Lose the restaurant, lose the airline, and what you have......a very empty million dollar complex, that might get the Freefall Convention back in Town.....What a waste...sounds like that hire may of been more of a cleaning service than a managerial service....
O,
Thank you for the info. Commenter says he really, really knows and it wasn't posted. You come in and authoritatively state that it was posted.
That's why we don't decide important issues based upon uncorroborated latrine rumors.
TYFCB
So you are happy with the hire?
It wasn't posted on the city's website, now how about that vet policy Umer?
Oracle
What happens to a posted job when no one bids on it?
Your friendly Basin would like to say two things about the above posts. First, I purposely don't review IP addresses. I have no idea if these two posts are from who the author claims to be.
Speaking for myself, I have no problems with anon commenters tossing up thoughts and opinions. I do think that, when you claim to have inside info, you ought to identify yourself so we can consider the source and whether your wire is as good as you say it is.
Amazing what a post on Foreign Policy brings out!
Based on everything you just have learned by now, do you still think the process was followed in the Tuzzo hire?
That's the problem with guys like you, can't admit when you're wrong. P
Guys like me? Veterans? Democrats? Guys who have been married a long time? Guys with advanced degrees? Cub fans?
There are only two categories of people: Guys who divide people up into categories and guys who don't.
What is it I'm supposed to admit I'm wrong about?
Guys like me? Veterans? Democrats? Guys who have been married a long time? Guys with advanced degrees? Cub fans?
There are only two categories of people: Guys who divide people up into categories and guys who don't.
What is it I'm supposed to admit I'm wrong about?
Guys who can't correct themselves when they falsely claim the existence of a vet's pref hiring policy. And Guy's who must violate their own integrity because they can't admit some cheating took place in the hiring process. If you say you're not aware of such cheating then you're a liar as well.
One Trick Anon Shetland,
First, I have frequently corrected myself in this space when I have made an error.
Second, you setting yourself up as the ultimate arbiter of what I know and don't know exposes your own intellectual dishonesty.
Third, none of that is what you meant by "guys like..." because that is a mere tautology and omniscient guys like you were never make such a mistake.
I have already said I would do a full post on vet's preference and I will. As it happens, I am otherwise occupied right now and feel no need to do anything on cue of a boring one trick pony.
It's asking a lot but but try to be patient and not to wet yourself.
"Guys like you....." My Ass! You're the freaking world authority in who's standup and who's not. I'm unimpressed with your analysis of anything. Yet you want to set yourself up as the world authority of who should be hired by the City and who shouldn't.
TYFCB
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