Sunday, April 20, 2008

OFF TO COLLEGE: TEXTBOOKS, CHECK; LAPTOP, CHECK; BACKPACK, CHECK; GLOCK, CHECK; SPARE CLIP, CHECK

Your friendly host in the Basin grew up around firearms and likes them not because he is bitter and from a small town, but because he likes them. Your host was one the first purchasers of an Illinois FOID card (at a very tender age, of course) and still maintains one. Inconveniently, I have also been shot twice. Each time, I found it annoying. As regular readers here also know, someone I loved very much was killed with a stolen gun, stolen from a careless police officer who was then afraid to report it missing. (As an enlightened Christian, I have stopped wishing he rot in Hell, but he's not on my Christmas Card List, either. But I digress)

The point here is, smartass title notwithstanding, I think the topic of concealed carry on campus is worthy of discussion. (please now administer smelling salts to my academic and acutely liberal friends--I said "discussion" not immediate implementation.)

An argument can be made that the possibility of armed, skilled folks in defined spaces deters "cause" crimes and violent creeps. The adoption of the original Sky Marshall plan coincided with the virtually elimination of expatriot kidnappings in the early 70's.

On the other hand, the combination of gun security, adolescent judgment and alcohol argues against on-campus unfettered "citizen" concealed carry in the formerly proposed Florida mode and somewhat like the Missouri plan. Finally, there are jurisdictional problems with mere concealed carry. Even if, for example, ISU permitted it, Normal might not, Bloomington might not. Even if Purdue permitted it, concealed carry could still be barred in Campus Town (part of W. Lafayette). In many urban campuses, the town and the campus are almost indistinguishable. An authorized carrier could be legal one side of the street and illegal the other.

Moreover, the gun safety training for simple concealed carry is insufficient to prepare the carrier for a hostage, active shooter or any other "shoot/stand down" decision. This is especially so when the carrier is on campus with another priority or three (meet girls, get a degree, meet girls, not necessarily in that order--did I mention "meet girls"?).

For all the foregoing reasons, your friendly Basin opposes "mere" concealed carry. That, however, does not mean there is not an argument for some permissively armed people on campus.

If a young person had a background check, peace officer training (for which he could get either paid or college credit) and was then a paid (even if just some kind of "stand-by" pay) employee of the University and answered to a security chain of command, I think it would be productive and might deter some misguided souls from hurting innocents. In some states, there are lesser standards for "constables" or "conservators of the peace". That training would probably suffice.

We could call this "enhanced conceal carry" "U-Marshalls" or "The Whack Job Surprise Box" for all I care. It would be very important that they had no other enforcement duties. They could not be drug cops or plagiarism cops, gambling cops or even bad check cops. Safety and weapons control would be their only assignment.

Would there come a time when one of these conservators would hurt someone or his gun would be put to unacceptable uses on a campus? Yeah, human beings are always going to defeat safety systems. Would this prevent all Va. Tech/NIU capers? No. Secret Service doesn't prevent all attacks on public officials. Would it deter some? I suspect it would. Would it shorten the duration of some? Maybe.

It seems to me there are fundamentally three arguments against my "U-Marshalls" proposal: First, it would mean the "U-Marshalls" themselves would have to divide their attention between vigilance and learning; Second, it adds a danger to the campus which wasn't there before (the firearm itself); and Third, the cost/benefit ratio of doing it just doesn't justify.

Let's be honest, a part of the objection is just the idea by some that there should be no firearms anywhere but, particularly, in the halls of ivy.

But, back to the arguments, Of course the U-Marshalls/Conservators would have their attention divided. Most everybody at the U's have to do two things or more at once. Nearly everyone has some kind of part time income gig. Graduate Assistants have to learn and watch the class for disruption/cognition at the same time. This is only different in kind, not in degree. Moreover, the background check into the Conservators already suggests they are the kind of persons who will be taking their U. experience seriously. Second, yes, until smartguns are perfected and universally available, this is an issue. But none of the recent uprisings has been from a purloined gun. In fact, I can't remember an on-campus incident where a gun has been lifted from a law enforcement officer. That's too much trouble when guns are so easy to get, anyhow. The third argument (cost/benefit) ratio is awfully hard to calculate. How much killing would be prevented? How much of the cost gets plowed right back into the university by having the UMarshall pay tuition fees and meal m0ney. Finally, how much benefit does society get from having a responsible young person start serving his community and showing ultimate responsibility at the age of 19 or so. We would have to plot a whole generation of UMarshalls to see what the benefit was, before we could weigh it against the putative cost. I'm guessing the UMarshalls would be not only successful but inclined to public service in ways which benefit the larger community. Isn't that a large part of what U's do?

Is this radical? Yeah. Does what we're doing (or not doing) now invite more on-campus gun violence. It's hard to see it any other way.

Perhaps this discussion should be longer and agonize more over these points. I certainly understand some campuses would never be able to accept or implement UMarshalls/Conservators of the Peace. I get that it wouldn't work for a Quaker School. I'm sure some would argue it wouldn't work for SLU or UIC. There would probably have to be some kind of informed consent or at least acknowledgment from entering students. Maybe for cultural and neighborhood reasons it works in Baton Rouge and not for Ann Arbor.

At the end of the day, higher educators and administrators have a duty to discuss rearranging the monopoly of force so it is not securely and solely held by the criminally inclined and the deeply disturbed.

Comments of anti-gun hystericals and Free Love Concealed Carry Doc Hollidays are equally welcome. If you think this one is easy, I urge you to think again before you write. After you think carefully, I'd love to have your comments.

14 Comments:

At 7:04 PM, April 20, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, too deep for me, even though I'm a "Doc Holiday" thinker. I am quite certain that I, personally, could act appropriately and measured in a situation such as you mention. However, we all know that not everyone who would feel comfortable carrying a firearm could, and perhaps, maybe I'm even wrong about myself. I do know that if the bullets ever start flying around me or my own I would desire very much to be able to send them flying back. Hmmmmmm, tough one...

 
At 2:44 PM, April 21, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn Tony,

My ADD won't let me read all this!

My opinion is we are just going through a cycle of random acts. Firearms have never been allowed on Campus's and should not be. (check hunting firearms at the campus Security office.) Too much alcohol involved on most campus's to through firearms into the mix.

On a seperate note: How long do you think it takes for QPD to request .40 cal. handguns? They kind of jumped the gun on getting the 10mm's!

;)

 
At 2:51 PM, April 21, 2008, Blogger UMRBlog said...

This is right up your alley. You love to have your previous assumptions challenged. Break it up a para at a time. I can't believe the comments I'm NOT getting on this one.

TYFCB

 
At 3:34 PM, April 21, 2008, Blogger TOOKIE said...

I am torn over the Conceal Carry on College campus's ! At DPU I checked my duck/quail/pheasant gun into campus security . Got it out on a Sat checked it in when done hunting .......worked fine.


Now I am pro States passing cc laws. Criminals tend to like an edge .

 
At 3:40 PM, April 21, 2008, Blogger TOOKIE said...

Also I am VERY Pro our FOID card program. We live in a very rigid Gun control state , and besides Chicago , have very few gun crimes. Most gun owners are rational safe folks .

I have sold off my hand guns because frankly they collected dust .

I would rather take my 12 ga , clay birds ,and throwers out on a Spring day than plink with a 9mm or .45.

I also know 3 1/2 T shot from a Browning BPS would RUIN a mfer's day while trying to break into my home .


With this type of shot the T load would not travel through a wall either , resulting in a friendly Fire accident .


Which reminds me of Maya Angalu , and her incedent where she made the UNIVERSAL noise of " Wrong House mfer" ........by shucking a shell into her 12 ga pump.

I always smile when I picture that sweet wonderful 70 yr plus poet grabbing the 870 .



I would love to see that perp's face when he heard that noise followed by her saying " I think it's best for you if you leave and never come back "



That is one caged bird who is lucky to sing !


:)

 
At 7:13 PM, April 21, 2008, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Took,

Please note I'm not advocating simple citizen conceal carry on campus. What I'm advocating is specially trained student constables carrying out duties like the old "Sky Marshalls".

The difference is primarily in hostage/active shooter/voice command training.

I agree that simple concealed carry puts too many guns on campus when there are maturity/intoxicant and training issues.

TYFCB.

 
At 4:00 AM, April 22, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What I'm advocating is specially trained student constables carrying out duties like the old "Sky Marshalls"."

I stand by my last comment. There are too many alcohol related incidents on University campus's for this to be practical.

So what we end up with is a "specially trained constable" / pissed off drunk ex-boyfriend with an authority complex upset leaving a party with vengence towards the ex's new boyfriend.

OR, a drunken malay takes place at said party, "specially trained constable" tries to break it up and someone gets shot.

I am very pro-gun, but there are just places they do not belong (ie a bank). University campus's being one of them. The concept you are trying to reach is for a firearm to be a deterent. In order for them to be a deterent, we have to be dealing with rational people. People under the influence of alcohol are not always thinking rationally. (And yes, I am admitting to not missing many parties back in my college days.)

A student constable with a cell phone number of the local SRT is much more practical in my opinion.

;)

 
At 5:57 AM, April 22, 2008, Blogger UMRBlog said...

A peace officer has to know to put his gun up when he's drinking. Part of the training.

Lot of cell phones in that conference room in NIU. No cell phone there was able to return fire to protect the next four after the first one was killed.

I'm not in favor of anyone under the influence of intoxicants carrying, constable training or no training.

TYFCB

 
At 7:06 AM, April 22, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But said constable will have a firearm on campus at his or her discretion. Training or no training said constable will have access to that firearm and a night of blowing off steam can turn into a night of blowing holes in someone quite easily under certain situations.

;)

p.s. Even trained peace officers are not always known to follow training practices during thier off hours. <--- not pointing fingers, but we really don;t want to go down this road!

 
At 7:30 AM, April 22, 2008, Blogger TOOKIE said...

What would be better is if we TRAINED Students at All Levels NOT to be Sheeple !

Columbine, NIU , and Va Tech ....they folks needed to attack the gunmen with whatever they had.

Just like a tornado drill , students need to have a "crazy mfer" drill.

Text books back packs shoes all become a weapon to disarm the gunman.


This would be far more effective than some fat slop by a metal detector .

Just like the Military trains for fast responce , we can train our students to self protect.


Picture the Va Tech shooter with a glock trying to hit a target with 50 econ books flying at his head & people BUM rushing him.

 
At 12:57 PM, April 22, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are we going to have McDonald's marshalls next?

;)

 
At 4:04 PM, April 22, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wanna be a strip club Marshall.

 
At 4:33 PM, April 22, 2008, Blogger UMRBlog said...

1257,

It's obvious you've never been to a Mickey D's in Houston or San Diego. They don't have RonaldMarshalls. They have uniformed police officers with Glock McNuggets. That ship has sailed.

The reason you want UMarshall's to blend in is so the goof doesn't have a first target and so as not to disrupt the learning environment.

TYFCB

 
At 4:34 PM, April 22, 2008, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Not in Indianapolis and not any place PacMan Jones attends.

TYFCB

 

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