Wednesday, January 06, 2010


Just kind of sitting here watching it come down and wondering what the TP'ers position is on snow removal. Since it's not in the City's Charter, maybe we should just wait around until the free market handles it or until it melts, whichever comes first. Man, think of all the overtime, fuel and chemical costs it would save.


At 9:58 AM, January 07, 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The private sector would handle it and charge the owner, the city, much less than their current double and triple time labor cost. Of course nobody large enough to handle it currently exists because you can't compete with the city. I bet that would change fast though if the city simply stopped plowing.

At 10:40 AM, January 07, 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure they want Blackwater (or I guess they call themselves Xe these days) to patrol the streets as well

At 10:58 AM, January 07, 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great argument. Why not just privatize it? You know, before it snows. Same with trash and legal and most of the other stuff the city wastes our money on? Lots of cities do it.

At 1:42 PM, January 07, 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem is that the incentive of the private company wouldn't be to do the job well- it would be to do the job cheaply so as to get the low-bid. This could end very badly for a lot of people. Another problem is there is not really a free market way to do large scale coordinated snow removal. Are there companies that actually do this? How many? And how many companies do you need to have a true free-market environment? The private sector is great when there is true competition and many consumers, but that is not really the case for several city services folks would like to farm out. If you want to know how bad the private sector can be at things, go ask a soldier you know about private contractors in their workplace. The word "worthless" will probably come up.

At 5:27 PM, January 07, 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You bet your ass if a snowplow driver was working for a private company and blew above a .04, he wouldn't have a job any more, unlike the city.

At 8:57 PM, January 07, 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the City would give me a years' notice I will take care of snow removal.I personally have no clue how to do it,but I CAN find those who would.You have to TRY.The kids at CS would be first in line.

At 12:22 PM, January 08, 2010, Blogger UMRBlog said...


If such a driver worked for a private company, it is much less likely that the confidentiality of the Drug Free Workplace effort would be breached.


At 12:42 PM, January 08, 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:27- if you believe that you must be a homemaker or something.

At 2:40 PM, January 08, 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:22 PM

Whole different deal when you're using our money isn't it? He's also an elected official. The fact remains, he still has his job. Sad state of affairs when you can no longer keep all your secrets.

At 11:52 AM, January 09, 2010, Blogger observer said...

Your snarky post just makes the TP'ers more confident they are on the right track.
I like your regular stuff, but when you show your true leftest, liberal side, you cease to be interesting or relevant. Just another Dem. looking to justify your unsustainable agenda.

At 3:30 PM, January 09, 2010, Blogger UMRBlog said...


No, actually it's not. The law still prohibits disclosure. The original source for making that information public (either intentionally or negligently) should face discipline, whether public or private.

There is no exception for Employees who serve in an elected capacity on their own time.

At 3:33 PM, January 09, 2010, Blogger UMRBlog said...


When I take an outrageous position to test how "anti-spending" folks are, that's snarky?

You may think it's evidence that I'm some kind of big Lefty but it might just be I'm expanding thought horizons (perhaps without any notable success.).

Thank yo for coming by.

At 5:08 PM, January 09, 2010, Blogger observer said...


Sorry, I don't believe yo. [sic].

At 12:42 PM, January 10, 2010, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Terrific. Excellent intellectual engagement. The old "Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire." Gambit.

Did you even read my commentary on the Senate Health Insurance "reform"?

Thought you were better than this.

At 3:03 PM, January 11, 2010, Blogger observer said...

I guess I confused "outrageous position" with meaningful ideas.
Of course the free market could do a better and cheaper job than the city, but it's just more convenient to pay taxes and have the city do snow removal.

It's the really wasteful things our city does that frosts the TP'ers.
*Out of control pensions
*cellphones for aldermen
*giving raises and then raising taxes
ECT----You know the drill.

I agree with your commentary on Nelsoncare. Nobody's gonna like it.

Didn't mean to call you a liar, but you often take the side of big government when the conservative side speaks out.
I am assuming you think the conservative movement is intellectually flawed, but I think you mistaking "Passion" for "redneck-ism".

At 6:59 PM, January 11, 2010, Blogger UMRBlog said...

OB 1503

I guess you're gonna have to give me some examples of where I've gone in for big gov't.

Seems to me I've pretty much had the Obama administration at arms length since TARP II and TARP/AUTO.

So easy to label. So hard to actually produce original thought.


At 6:42 AM, January 12, 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Observer, do you support the existence of the Dept. of Homeland Security, and the U.S. Patriot Act?

At 2:14 PM, January 13, 2010, Blogger observer said...

Just your insinuation in your Blog post that the City knows best and the TP'ers don't know squat is a good place to start.

I didn't say the City shouldn't be pushing snow, but you are suggesting they (the City)know best.
Go back to my post 15:03. Some jobs could be done cheaper and better by the private sector.
It would take a huge effort to fight the unions and have garbage disposal, and snow plowing removed from their people and hardly worth the effort.
Why do you think most of the big corporations have gone to outsourcing for these easy jobs that don't need much training or high skills?

At 2:15 PM, January 13, 2010, Blogger observer said...

Anon 6:42


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