Saturday, November 17, 2007


Rudy is against government-sponsored health care programs.........

EXCEPT WHEN HE'S NOT (click here)


At 1:58 PM, November 17, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The New York Times as is their habit, ran this article to hurt Giuliani - because they hate him, and they have hated him for years. I can only assume your motive is to try to be a good HillaryBot.

OK, so the charge in the article is that Giuliani is proposing market-based initiatives to fix health care. The reason, to you and the NY Times (ever a reliable source for accuracy when it comes to Giuliani), that this is hypocrisy is because, towards the end of his second term, he encouraged NYers to sign up for public health programs - though he had discouraged it before.

Who cares? What is the mayor of a city supposed to do? Giuliani attempted to privatize the hospitals. The effort was thwarted. Now you have large populations of uninsured individuals who MUST be treated on the city's dime every time they show up at one of those hospitals. The Mayor of New York does not have the power to alter state law, he could not repeal Medicaid or other state health programs. He could not change the mandate that no person be turned away from a hospital for not having insurance.

So Giuliani suggested that the uninsured in NYC get their share of the benefits from programs that were being paid for out of NYers tax dollars. It allowed him to shift at least some of the financial burden on the city to a large base. Note that the article only claims that Giuliani decided to encourage NYers to use already existent programs - like Medicaid and NY's S-Chip program. He did not propose a new entitlement, nor did he create some sort of City mandate that forced everyone in the city to buy insurance.

Government programs are not inherently evil. Many are broken - but the GOP is not out there suggesting we repeal Medicaid or S-Chip. Even if market reforms are successful in reducing the cost of health care, there will always be people who need help paying. But while we work towards that goal, I can't blame a local official like Giuliani, with limited power to affect changes in the health market, for utilizing existing programs. I can blame a state official for creating a whole new regime of state involvement in the health care industry.

At 4:16 PM, November 17, 2007, Blogger THE ORACLE... said...

There are many against a national health insurance system until they get sick. Now the real issue of the day is how do you think your girl Hillary did in the debate. I thought she dominated Obama. The crowd dominated Edwards. Joe Biden knows his sh%t better than all of them. Like they all said " I agree with JOE."

At 8:16 PM, November 17, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...


Calling me a HillaryBot doesn't camouflage that you have two choices: He's a flipper or he had a natural evolution. Applicable to any other candidate in the race.

Roll your own.


At 8:18 PM, November 17, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...


In the same vein, Rudy had his epiphany about publicly admimistered health care AFTER he had his prostate cancer.

I agree with Joe.


At 9:34 AM, November 18, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Giuliani had internal, institutional, beaurocratic and media hurdles to jump, yet somehow Giuliani's occasional compromises and roadblocks are considered flip flops by you. There are many other reasons not to vote for Rudy. A careful reading of the first comment shows his position on health care is not one of them.

Perhaps you are tired from searching for the City of Quincy's veteran's preference hiring policy you can't seem to locate.

At 10:14 AM, November 18, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Yeah, I wouldn't want to read a nugget like that less than carefully.


At 1:26 PM, November 18, 2007, Blogger THE ORACLE... said...

In case I forgot, thanks for your service to our Country UMR. There is an idiot that has been trying to insinuate that those of us that were not in the military have no right to be grateful to those that did and be outraged when their treatment at the hands of our government is shabby.

At 1:38 PM, November 18, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

I heard about that. Also heard something about Tookie getting a new phone.

Appreciate the good wishes and you're welcome. My service pales in comparison so your father's however. Now there's a player!


At 2:04 PM, November 18, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oracle & Umr

The statement by Oracle is as honest as the existence of a veteran's preference hiring policy for the city of Quincy, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

At 6:19 PM, November 18, 2007, Blogger THE ORACLE... said...

I won't be sleeping tonightfriend 2:04. I will be on duty seeing that the safety and security of the City's water supply is maintained. When you wake up in the morning to your shower and cp of coffee, know that professionals work around the clock to keep your water safe and tasty.

Your welcome...

At 5:33 PM, November 19, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whacked again. You're weak.


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