Wednesday, October 24, 2007

COMPTROLLER AND SOME WELL-INTENTIONED PURISTS CONNECT THE DOTS FOR ILLINOIS TAXPAYERS

(This comment and posts have been modified. I think the topic still has value but I just decided it was no place for vague and unrelated accusations against me by some obs-comp. I left his comments which were vaguely on topic. In fairness, I took out my replies to Ahab where I deleted his comments.

In the ultimate irony, I also deleted a series of comments by a guy who never commented but says I deleted his comments. Yeah, it gives me a headache too.)

The folks who argue we are a historic "Pay to Play" State and those who say, that's just what makes the world go 'round, will all want to click here .

I think there are a lot of opportunities here to add two and two and get twenty two but it is an interesting concept, especially when you consider it is on the State of Illinois's bandwidth.

I guess this means Dan and Rod aren't exchanging holiday cards this year.

61 Comments:

At 8:34 AM, October 24, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We could use a website like that for the City of Quincy.

 
At 12:18 PM, October 24, 2007, Blogger Allthenewsthatfits said...

Ooooooo, this is a fun website.

 
At 3:14 PM, October 24, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think IL is a pay to play state?

Do you think Quincy is a pay to play city?

 
At 4:42 PM, October 24, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Fair question with pressed-for-time answers (regarding contracting, which is what the site is about)

Yes, but not as much as most folks believe and not nearly as much as States like NJ and MD.

No, I think the City has kind of hard-wired relationships with its contractors but, for the most part, and this has been true for at least the last five mayors, it's not about money, political or otherwise.

 
At 5:10 PM, October 24, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, I think the City has kind of hard-wired relationships with its contractors but, for the most part, and this has been true for at least the last five mayors, it's not about money, political or otherwise.


No idea what this means...and neither do you.

 
At 5:37 PM, October 24, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think city employees should be able to actively campaign for the mayor?

 
At 7:20 PM, October 24, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Let me put it more simply for you. Folks get into habit patterns. A vendor is available and OK. Why change? Hard-wired.

Don't impose your perceptual limitations onto me.

Good Night.

TYFCB

 
At 7:23 PM, October 24, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

1737,

Do you think they should be prohibited from doing so?

I surely think anybody who works for the city in a rank and file capacity should be able to politically what he or she will on his or her own time.

Geez, hope that's not controversial. Also don't see what it has to do with contributing contractors but have at it.

TYFCB

 
At 6:06 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

UMRBlog said...
Let me put it more simply for you. Folks get into habit patterns. A vendor is available and OK. Why change? Hard-wired.

Oh Shit ! You may have me hooked here !

So "hard wire" includes 18 years of subsudizing and mismanagement with zero data collection ?

Does "hard wire" include only thinking INSIDE the BOX ? Does hard wire include having a program , yet by not collecting the needed data of defferal ratios , the City's "hard wire" can't take advantage of the existing EPA programs that are available to them ?

Does "Hard Wire" include the I use this term lightly "Purchasing dept" , writing RFP/BIDS like an old College proff used to .......


Where there can be ONLY one correct answer !


My ass is still chaffed over the "hard wire " factor ! Right now we are still doing nothing with the out comes of hard wire.

I KNOW for a fact that I PISSED off the parties involved in HARD WIRE ............


But I laid out the data in a clear way.


So for my experience in the "Hard Wire" I question ETHICS .......




and from the D-2 statement it became very clear it was & still is PAY to PLAY .

 
At 6:09 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

I may have to use MY Web hosting server to LAY out the case of my personal

"hard wire" .................



Unlike most I have saved & digitized every document & meeting note !

 
At 6:27 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

QUINCY RECYCLE 526 SOUTH SIXTH STREET
QUINCY, IL 62301 $500.00
6/27/2007


Now NOT saying we are "pay to play"



But sure smells like fresh carp to me !

 
At 6:55 AM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think they should be prohibited from doing so?

Yes

I surely think anybody who works for the city in a rank and file capacity should be able to politically what he or she will on his or her own time.

Not sure what you mean by "rank and file". Do you consider City Attorneys "rank and file"? Should they be able to send out mailers on
City Attorney letterhead making erroneous claims?

 
At 7:18 AM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Let me put it more simply for you. Folks get into habit patterns. A vendor is available and OK. Why change? Hard-wired."

OK counselor let me explain it to you. It's the taxpayers money. That's why there is a bidding process. Using the purchasing power of the city or any goverment enity to reward or to build favor with any vendor is not right. Speaking from many years of experience in dealing with the city and school system, they seem to forget get this. I'll rephrase that, they don't forget, they just damn well do what they please. Classic example is the "ham and egg" arrangement with the two engineering firms in town. Have you ever seen any firms from Hannibal or any place else receive any bids for city work. The old buddy system. I have no problem with havin ga good working relationship with a vendor and giving them busines without a bid on the small stuff because of convienence but making them exclusive is illegal. Most vendors will not bitch because they don't want to be black balled from any future business. And don't count on the Herald Whig ot the other news media to do any kind of leg work to connect the dots in Quincy. They are not that compentent, and they don't want to piss off an advertiser. If you don't believe me, just check out the "Advertisement for Bids" section of the Herald Whig to see how many times you see the City, county or school system asking for bids on jobs under $50,000.
Just a view from my side!!

 
At 7:48 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

0718,

There is so much legally incorrect in your comment, I really cannot deconstruct it to find a sensible argument which I could then rebut or embrace.

You are the one saying "illegal". Give me a contract award that you say was illegally done and why. You may want to wander around in the State Code a bit about what is really required to be bid before you accuse anybody of anything illegal (your word).

TYFCB

 
At 7:56 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

0655,

So you think the guy who works at Central Services cannot take a Saturday or a vacation day and drop literature for the candidate of his choice? If we're going to control his off duty time, are we going to pay him for it, too? How do arrive at a position which limits non-civil service government employees political freedoms? When do you throw that switch? Just new hires or just send out a memo telling them they're muzzled. You sure seem to want to give government a lot of power.

The DAR and Legal Staff serve at the pleasure of the Mayor, Just like the Sheriff's Chief Deputy. By definition, they have no political activity restrictions except the universal one. No use of Government time or physical resources (postage and the like). Nobody in Illinois trips up on that one. They like to trip up on it in Missouri, though.

 
At 7:59 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

2Key,

You know I can't talk about the merits of this with on this board but I do suggest you go back and look at old D-2's. You'll see it's Hard Wire Quincy Cosmic Habit Force.

Paving, Hole Digging....all force of habit. Just because human behavior may be repetitive does not always mean it's avaricious.

Get Purifoy!

 
At 8:11 AM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 8:11 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

Yes but I also know a ton on the "bid" process . One must look who visits my office on a daily basis . Contractors talk !

I understand habit . But I also understand bid process , actually I understand the Bid process far better than I use this term VERY LOOSE .......Alderman Klingle !

Who berated myself , Joel , and my father on ...to quote verbatium


"Bid the right damn numbers "


Well my dear ( loose ) Friend Bobby K..............


In 6 meer months you proved yourself and the entire group you surround yourself with as NOT HAVING a FUCKING CLUE what the right numbers were.


At the 12 month time frame we will see that the actual weights and as Bob "Einstein" says "numbers" .....



Will exceed my estimate .




Holy shit ! We had to "bid" in the dark .



So Tony .........


When dealing with a person whose entire day is the "bid process" ....... one needs to recall that as of right now I know a weeeeeeeeee bit about it .





Far more than folks who want to Grand stand .........



p.s. : I tell it to his fucking face every time I see his ass !

 
At 8:13 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

On hole digging & paving .......


Once Diamond WON the law suit did you notice a steep decline in their getting City Contracts ?


Bleigh used to do tons of work here ..........Where are they ?



Wouldn't it be interesting to hear why they no longer waste their time "bidding" ........

 
At 8:13 AM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think the vendors know the brain trust spending our tax dollars is "hard wired"?

"Hard wired" is another term for "lazy don't give a shit it's not my money".

 
At 8:23 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

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At 8:26 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

0811 WAS me ...........



I think you mean ....


Well POOP there is 2 at o811 !


I think your addressing the ANON !

 
At 8:26 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

2Key,

We have had this conversation many times but you really don't rebut the "avarice versus habit" discussion above and you know I have both hands tied behind my back when discussing specific city cases, with a bidder no less.

 
At 8:27 AM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 8:28 AM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

UMR

Do you believe the local dems ever distribute political signs at Central Services?

 
At 8:29 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Now could we either get back to talking about political money and contractors or move to today's post about applicants, underwear and inteviewing techniques.

 
At 8:31 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

I agree ..........Just venting !


My close "friend" Bob no longer walks on Vermont .

And I am damn HAPPY I got their panties in a bunch .

I would be far happier if some of those "Brain Trust " ...and this term is a loose as a Subic Bay Hooker during fleet week ...LEADERS



Would start to make the needed changes . I would be as happy as a PIG in shit if the fucks would eat crow and "ask for help"



Instead they left a festering sore ....



Not the best policy .

 
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At 9:33 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

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At 10:06 AM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

UMR,
I didn't accuse anyone of doing anything illegal. What I said was that making a vendor exclusive using the convience excuse and bypassing the bidding process was illegal. Don't try to put words in my mouth. Your the legal beagle you look up the damn code, I know crap when I smell it. The problem with you gov't types is that you are like pig farmers, you work around the shit so much you can't smell it!

 
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At 10:46 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

"The old buddy system. I have no problem with havin ga good working relationship with a vendor and giving them busines without a bid on the small stuff because of convienence but making them exclusive is illegal."

Gee, who wrote this above then?

I love how easy it is to just wave a broad sweep and deign all gov't employees unethical swine.

Your method of argument reminds me of that used by the Governor of California to support the interment of Japanese-Americans. Nobody's been convicted of it so that is good evidence they are covering it up.

You can't even stick to your own arguments. If you say it, own it.

 
At 10:59 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

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At 11:09 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

0828,

Fair question. Here's my understanding. The only signs on the inside premises at CS will be those seized from the right-of-way.

The only distribution of signs would possibly be when the workers go to the parking lot, one guy might have signs in his trunk and distribute a few to willing colleagues on the way home from work.

I don't see that as a problem, no matter which political party it is for.

 
At 11:11 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

Here is a Question :

On the St Bon Vote were there NOT some "people" on the Council that Ethically should have abstained ?

See this is the RUB that really gets me. Yes it is up to the individual , on if they can Ethically make a fair vote .....




But PLEASE !



I will not name the ones , but I think a moral and ethical person would abstain from a vote where they may have conflicts.

 
At 11:15 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

I keep thinking about placing a SIGN up next to CS with an LED "Middle Finger" .......


Just so there is no grey area in our understanding.




Speaking of SIGNS : I had a FEW signs on MY land that did not get permission.


Nth 24th is like Alabama : A Red State .


I did not like my Paul signs being taken down either .



But if children want to play games then that is what children will do .

 
At 11:25 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

2Quiche

Deep Topic (conflicts and incompatibility). I'll start at thread on it later.

TYFCB and check Purifoy's SAT

 
At 11:28 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

I am sure his SAT is SUB Zero ....if he actually took the thing himself .



Oh Hoover High is the SMU of the 80's at the High School level

 
At 11:31 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

So I guess you're saying he'll be a Seminole (The collegiate equivalent of work-release.)

 
At 11:31 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

Also HELL has 6 feet of snow today !

The anon on my site got me to actually defend QPD and the Chief !


Satan is snow boarding right now .




hahahaha



My buddy in Nashville does only homocides and says that it takes time or SOME major shake down tatics to break some cases.


That anon is mad as hell. I understand his/her pain , but they are non rational to the fact that like TV ......cops break a case wide open in 1 hour .

 
At 11:34 AM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

I thought work release was Uof M ? I think they get their own AK 47 when they sign with the 'Caines !


And poor FSU . I 100% love Bobby B ! He and Joe Pa are great for the game . Bad part is the desire to win is so high these days that people "over look" certain factors.


Look at Shula .......... I mean talk about head in the sand.




What I want to see is more DMAC's .....he got into a scuffle and was so ashamed he is still saying sorry. Now that is a class act kid.

 
At 11:58 AM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

UMR 1109

Your "understanding" is wrong.

 
At 12:02 PM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 3:23 PM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

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At 3:26 PM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

1158,

I'm open to being educated. What do you understand happens out there? What is your basis of knowledge (as in "how do you know")? Why is your understanding superior to mine? If you're right, what would you do about it?

You scratched this scab. Enlighten us all. Blow the whistle. Fight corruption. Be Serpico.

TYFCB

 
At 3:41 PM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 3:56 PM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

Be Serpico........



That is a decision I will make in the near future . I will have to weigh the expence vs the reward.

My own version of Serpico would be a MFER for those in Depo's .


I just frankly have not made up my mind.



But another jack ass OV and my mind is leaning farther and farther into Serpico

 
At 4:04 PM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

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At 4:32 PM, October 25, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 5:33 PM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

You talking to me or the anon ........long ass replies confuse the PISS out of me !

 
At 5:38 PM, October 25, 2007, Blogger UMRBlog said...

Took 1733,

Not you.

 
At 5:40 PM, October 25, 2007, Blogger TOOKIE said...

Is anon talking to me now ? Why the F*ck would I want to ride to CS ?


I need to start drinking again ! I get far less confused !

 
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